*Warning* Cobra 03 owners enter at own risk...
07-17-2002 | 11:30 PM
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*Warning* Cobra 03 owners enter at own risk...
Even though they are talking about the aussie HSV, I felt they were talking about the GTO or more so a Judge option, in response to the Cobra 03.
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07-18-2002 | 09:29 AM
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WHAT ABOUT $? 
We have a lot of fast cars here stateside already, but I don't think they are exactly "affordable". Especially with factory tuners like Lingenfelter, Saleen, etc., they will take you as fast as you want to go, provided you got the dough.
Good to know that someone is still pushing the envelope though!
It will surely bring technology and higher performance to us "average guys" later. Nice info.
Just my .02.
We have a lot of fast cars here stateside already, but I don't think they are exactly "affordable". Especially with factory tuners like Lingenfelter, Saleen, etc., they will take you as fast as you want to go, provided you got the dough.
Good to know that someone is still pushing the envelope though!
It will surely bring technology and higher performance to us "average guys" later. Nice info.Just my .02.
07-18-2002 | 10:46 AM
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400kW? What does that translate to horsepower? That's got to be over 500, correct?
C5R racing engine pushes over 650 if I remember correctly from magazine article a while back. But strap exhaust that's more strict and intake, and you'll reduce the horsepower dramatically.
Nonetheless, it's an awesome combination. I would hope very much to see such beast on the streets.
C5R racing engine pushes over 650 if I remember correctly from magazine article a while back. But strap exhaust that's more strict and intake, and you'll reduce the horsepower dramatically.
Nonetheless, it's an awesome combination. I would hope very much to see such beast on the streets.
07-18-2002 | 01:22 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by muckz:
400kW? What does that translate to horsepower? That's got to be over 500, correct?</font>
400kW? What does that translate to horsepower? That's got to be over 500, correct?</font>
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07-18-2002 | 11:05 PM
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Yes my friends Pontiac(Lutz) with the Help of Holden is going to shake up the Automotive world.
Nations Cup Entrants
Oh a big smile crossed my face when i saw the 7L Monaro will be racing amoungst car such as the Cobra 03... the Viper , Lambos and the list goes on.... finally an equal playing field. Now we will see how new the Cobra's chassis really is from the old.
Not sure how they rate the power of these cars but they seem to be bit low. Nevermind the Monaro should be pushing 500 odd HP(compare it to the viper)
Nations Cup Entrants
Oh a big smile crossed my face when i saw the 7L Monaro will be racing amoungst car such as the Cobra 03
... the Viper , Lambos and the list goes on.... finally an equal playing field. Now we will see how new the Cobra's chassis really is from the old.Not sure how they rate the power of these cars but they seem to be bit low. Nevermind the Monaro should be pushing 500 odd HP(compare it to the viper)
07-19-2002 | 01:31 AM
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Here are some quotes from people waiting for the announcment of the 7.0 Liter Monaro.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> "I must admit every time I drive past GRM workshops , I hope the roller door is up and maybe I can sneak a peek .... I have'nt got much on next week maybe I should pack the digital and see if I can get a scoop for the forum"</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> "Personally think that a 7.0L Monaro will be very quick straight off. Holden would love nothing more than to win the 24 hour at a track they really have dominated since 1968 (21 enduro wins against Fords 10, 2 for Nissan and 1 for Jaguar since then)."</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> "Yes, with a 7.0 litre V8 the Monaro will be a bullet. But iv'e read it will be only allowed to compete with it's standard issue 5.7 litre powerplant, in HSV spec. Wether that's true, i'm not sure.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> "If that is true about only being able to run the 5.7L then why are they bothering to make them with a 7.0L??? It doesn't make sense. Obviously they are being allowed to run the 7.0L or they wouldn't even bother.
Your right it will be a bullet. And with brakes that are supposed to be very close to what the V8 Supercars run they won't have the same problems with them that the Viper has trying to pull up. Shaken down properly before the 24 hour (and maybe having Supercar drivers in the hot seats) I can honestly see the Monaro's being damn quick. Reliability might be the only downfall.
If they do run with only the 5.7L they still will be quick though. Just not as quick as they might have been."</font>
Your right it will be a bullet. And with brakes that are supposed to be very close to what the V8 Supercars run they won't have the same problems with them that the Viper has trying to pull up. Shaken down properly before the 24 hour (and maybe having Supercar drivers in the hot seats) I can honestly see the Monaro's being damn quick. Reliability might be the only downfall.
If they do run with only the 5.7L they still will be quick though. Just not as quick as they might have been."</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> "The Nations Cup "GROUP ONE" Monaro will have a 7 litre version of the LS1 engine from GM Motorsport in the US.
The braking on the Viper has been upgraded dramatically this year and the Holden,s brakes are similar."</font>
The braking on the Viper has been upgraded dramatically this year and the Holden,s brakes are similar."</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> "Reliability I don't think will be an issue,
GM in the US run the 7 litre in their Corvette GTS car in ALMS and it won Sebring outright!!" </font>
GM in the US run the 7 litre in their Corvette GTS car in ALMS and it won Sebring outright!!" </font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> If it's specified with the "right" components at build time these cars are going to be like a jet.
Hopefully the car will be built with N-GT specs in mind, you never know there could be an international market for the car.
How about a Pontiac GTO, (as the Monaro will be sold in the US) to challenge the Porsche GT3RS's in ALMS competition?"
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Hopefully the car will be built with N-GT specs in mind, you never know there could be an international market for the car.
How about a Pontiac GTO, (as the Monaro will be sold in the US) to challenge the Porsche GT3RS's in ALMS competition?"
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> "You know someting? It's a pity that the new Arrow Ford with it's 6.2L engine isn't running. Or the Ford GT40 concept car. Seeing those 2 up against the likes of the Lamborghini Diablo, Dodge Viper, Ferrari 360, Porsche GT3, Ford Mustang and the new Monaro would be a good thing. It would add extra spice to it</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> And why didn't Ford come out with a bigger engine for the Mustang? Properly sorted the Mustang will keep the others honest but as it is right now it is unfortunately being outclassed. Mores the pity really as the Mustang is one of the few Fords I actually like."</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> "I agree, why didn't the Mustang get a bigger engine? It seems like PHR were told you can make a few changes to the 'stang, and Holden can build a 7.0L 2 door V8 Supercar. Fair..... I don't think so Tim. By the way I think the Mustang should have the bigger 5.4L all alloy quad cam engine with a supercharger and the V8 Supercar brakes. The supercharger should mean that the engine would remain more stock standard than without it."</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> "With your idea about the supercharger and the 5.4L donk, the Mustang would be competitive. Why the Mustang hasn't been allowed to be competitive is beyond me, when the Monaro will have a 7.0 litre Callaway Chev from the states and be interenally very close to a V8supercar seems a bit unfair, but is the Mustang and the Monaro competing in the same class, haven't looked at the groups yet. I'll have to do that and get back to you."</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> "The engine is not a Callaway, GRM are making it..."</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> "Of course its a Callaway, its a Chev motor. It's a 7.0L Chev with Motorsport heads and extractors, it's where holden gets its high horsepower engines, EG , the 350 KW powerplant in the HRT edtion ute."</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> "Well the engine builder from GRM told me that Callaway wouldn't give them any parts so they had to make their own one. He could of course be lying, but I guess it depends on how reliable your source of information is.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> They are of course using the Chev motorsport LS1/6 block, like this one -
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07-19-2002 | 02:19 AM
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I heard about this somewhere else. The 7.0L C5-R engine has proven to be extremely reliable. Two class wins at Le Mans, one at Sebring, and an overall win at Daytona. Plus I'll bet that if Holden gets to throw this in the Monaro, then there might be a better chance that it could show up in the C6 version of the ZO6 (or whatever name they use).
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07-22-2002 | 09:44 AM
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I saw another thread that said "GM has a new ad agency"...
Yeah, I know! It's called "Ude-Lose"!! LOL
Just kidding you a bit there friend, no flame thrown! Seriously though, you have spent quite a bit of time trying to discredit the '03 Cobra via Holden's products - and often modded ones at that. I applaud your enthusiasm, I love to see it. But remember one little thing -> the Cobra was not designed to compete with a "Monaro", or any other Oz products. The few hundred Cobras that come to Oz are tokens of production here in the States, not all of it. The importers griped about having to make the Cobra sit higher off the road (ground clearance) to sell them in OZ, then the press says there is a big ugly gap between the wheels and fenders - WTF? It wasn't designed to be roo-jumping 4x4! I'm trying to say (with the humor aimed at me - not you) that your market down there is radically different from our market up here. (IMHO, I think Oz is a little better for allowing V8 development than US - but that's another story.)
Now to discredit the link to the entrants for the Nations Cup...
Under the "Cobra" stats, notice the power rated at 280 KW? Notice the induction is classified as "Injected"? Notice the PWR is 5?
DUDE, this is last year's car, not a spanking new '03!!!
1)280Kw is 375hp. We all have been innundated that the new blown car is conservative at 390hp(291Kw) - stock. This is a race, right?... So give me a cat-free aftermarket x-pipe, K&N filter, etc and, well let's just say 280Kw ain't gonna be right. The engine posted is a tuned '02 motor with exhausts...
2)Induction was injected for '02 cars, but Blown for '03. And yes, variations on induction are noted correctly - see the TT Supra for "turbo" induction, or the JAGUAR XKR-T for S/C (meaning Super Charged... Hmmm) from the same page.
3)The PWR comfirms the other figures... I get PWR = 5.4 for the N/A Cobra, and closer to 6.2 for the S/C car (using curb weights for street cars).
My main point is to discredit your implications that the '03 Cobra is gonna learn who's Da Daddy in this race... The entry you are referring to is not an '03 Cobra.
My second point is to ask you to please stop comparing modded or prototyped Holden's to everything else in the world - our Z28s and Mustangs included. While I love what Holden is doing, you are tarnishing it by taking it out of context. PLEASE keep your enthusiasm for GM(I think) and Holden(I KNOW!) going, but apply it with caution.
Yeah, I know! It's called "Ude-Lose"!! LOL
Just kidding you a bit there friend, no flame thrown! Seriously though, you have spent quite a bit of time trying to discredit the '03 Cobra via Holden's products - and often modded ones at that. I applaud your enthusiasm, I love to see it.
But remember one little thing -> the Cobra was not designed to compete with a "Monaro", or any other Oz products. The few hundred Cobras that come to Oz are tokens of production here in the States, not all of it. The importers griped about having to make the Cobra sit higher off the road (ground clearance) to sell them in OZ, then the press says there is a big ugly gap between the wheels and fenders - WTF? It wasn't designed to be roo-jumping 4x4! I'm trying to say (with the humor aimed at me - not you) that your market down there is radically different from our market up here. (IMHO, I think Oz is a little better for allowing V8 development than US - but that's another story.)Now to discredit the link to the entrants for the Nations Cup...
Under the "Cobra" stats, notice the power rated at 280 KW? Notice the induction is classified as "Injected"? Notice the PWR is 5?
DUDE, this is last year's car, not a spanking new '03!!!
1)280Kw is 375hp. We all have been innundated that the new blown car is conservative at 390hp(291Kw) - stock. This is a race, right?... So give me a cat-free aftermarket x-pipe, K&N filter, etc and, well let's just say 280Kw ain't gonna be right. The engine posted is a tuned '02 motor with exhausts...
2)Induction was injected for '02 cars, but Blown for '03. And yes, variations on induction are noted correctly - see the TT Supra for "turbo" induction, or the JAGUAR XKR-T for S/C (meaning Super Charged... Hmmm) from the same page.
3)The PWR comfirms the other figures... I get PWR = 5.4 for the N/A Cobra, and closer to 6.2 for the S/C car (using curb weights for street cars).
My main point is to discredit your implications that the '03 Cobra is gonna learn who's Da Daddy in this race... The entry you are referring to is not an '03 Cobra.
My second point is to ask you to please stop comparing modded or prototyped Holden's to everything else in the world - our Z28s and Mustangs included. While I love what Holden is doing, you are tarnishing it by taking it out of context. PLEASE keep your enthusiasm for GM(I think) and Holden(I KNOW!) going, but apply it with caution.
07-22-2002 | 11:31 AM
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Well at least you don't see me going to the Stang / Corral and Ford Forums ... and saying this and that....
Besides I truly believe that within the next 12months you will see a 6.2L - 7.0L stoker come from GM in a production vehicle of somkind.. either HSV or CSV .. etc , im not saying its gona be cheap but dang will it be something to crush heaDS with... especially if it finds its way to the C6 Vette.
Besides I truly believe that within the next 12months you will see a 6.2L - 7.0L stoker come from GM in a production vehicle of somkind.. either HSV or CSV .. etc , im not saying its gona be cheap but dang will it be something to crush heaDS with... especially if it finds its way to the C6 Vette.
07-22-2002 | 02:12 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ude-lose:
Well at least you don't see me going to the Stang / Corral and Ford Forums ... and saying this and that....
Besides I truly believe that within the next 12months you will see a 6.2L - 7.0L stoker come from GM in a production vehicle of somkind.. either HSV or CSV .. etc , im not saying its gona be cheap but dang will it be something to crush heaDS with... especially if it finds its way to the C6 Vette.</font>
Well at least you don't see me going to the Stang / Corral and Ford Forums ... and saying this and that....
Besides I truly believe that within the next 12months you will see a 6.2L - 7.0L stoker come from GM in a production vehicle of somkind.. either HSV or CSV .. etc , im not saying its gona be cheap but dang will it be something to crush heaDS with... especially if it finds its way to the C6 Vette.</font>
You seem to be a sharp guy, with great enthusiasm, good resources, and passion for performance cars (mostly Holdens, but hey, that's OK! ) Just don't wanna see you blow your credibility all up over a silly car. (Did I say the '03 was a silly car - 
somebody send help...)LOTS of guys that post on this board frequent other boards like LS1, BON and even Stangnet - and they are welcomed there so long as they post maturely. If you don't go to other boards - it's your own fault, not mine. Besides, who knows what you are missing out on.
You wanna invitation - here it is. Browse a few minutes - stay out of the lounge and you will hear much more positive stuff about GM performance cars than negative. Guys in the tech forums are mostly car guys/gals and respect performance - period. This however is not a good way to start. (Look at the GM guys who chastise this guy for his audacity - you got some cool Vette owners out there for sure. Especially see page 4.) [edit]
And like I said before, I am glad to see the efforts being made by HSV and I hope they do come to pass. It can only make others do better in turn. I'm with you on that one!
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07-22-2002 | 09:35 PM
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Proud , thanks for taking me under your wing and pointing out about the 03 cobra,you maybe right about that or it may be that the aussies have their own version for 03 which isnt blown, also thanks for the advice about how not to dis-credit myself ,but really Im a big boy now and will post what I like where I like.