Interesting way of remembering. Conveniently detaching Mr RP from that bad old management. He seemed like such a true believer at the time.



http://forums.autoweek.com/thread.js...threadID=16873

http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/13/Auto...ge_challenger/

Talk about lazy. If that's not real enough for you, well then you deserve a 2011 Camaro.




Pretty sure we knew back in early '02 about the retro styling and the 3V.

Riiight, the whole CAW thing. The plant's gone. GM is outta da woods friend.



Sorry bro, but they've done everything short of whack you over the head with RP's bat about it.



Hell I hope so too. There's fewer and fewer of you fanboys every year.



Well fanboy, hold on to that 2008 Camaro ticket. Maybe Chevy'll have a loyalty discount on the 201x Camaro.

 

Where was anything announced in there? All I got from that is "No-one with Chrysler Group, the division of DaimlerChrysler responsible for Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep vehicles. would talk about the program, Automotive News said. " and "In fact, it's likely to be called Challenger." ""It is a two-door, essentially a competitor for the Mustang," says Catherine Madden, a production analyst for industry research group Global Insight. "They are really excited about it." " Sounds like she could be talking about the concept, and the people writing those strories not really knowing what they were talking about. But the media isn't known for that...

And you can't reference two different sources when the second one obviously used the first one as it's only source of information. That's just not right.

 

What's with this guy?

Did he lose a bunch of races in his Fox-body to some gleaming new 4th-gens way back when? It's like he's got an axe to grind and a chip to deal with at the same time.

 

Slap an LS2 into a cheap body with good styling sell it for 25K and watch Mustang sales plumet.

Too bad GM is retarded.

They'll keep on churning out boring front wheel drive vehicles. I wouldn't be surprised if they started making their SUV/Truck line up front wheel drive.

- Z28WannaB

 

Ford is in transition and has a lot of products in the pipeline. As far as G.M. taking sales away from the Mustang, sorry, they missed that boat and nothing is going to change it. The Mustang is due for a redesign in '10 from what I have heard. There is a Ford at the helm now who will not let the weak Mustangs of the Nasser era ever come back.

 

That's what I'm thinking. It seems like he has a huge grudge with GM/Chevrolet, and the Camaro. Either that or he's just taking shots in the dark so that in the remote possibility he's right, he can "neener-neener" us. (I told you so's seem to be all the rage here.)

DCX has traditionally been looser-lipped about their future products than most others. Even then, you still don't see one official word from anyone at Chrysler about a Challenger. So what's the difference between a news rag reporting about a future product and "The F-bod Father" saying keep the faith? Both reports require a certain amount of "faith" in their accuracy, since no one "official" can talk.

 

There's a difference. The industrial auto news world has no reason to spin stuff.

 

That was an enjoyable read.

 

Seems like the Ford boys have got their panties in a bunch again......

And thats coming from a guy that likes GM AND Ford. Seriously guys, if this topic upsets you, DONT READ IT! Instead of prattling off useless pablum, why not sit back and wait and see if a new Camaro comes out. If it doesnt, you can say I told you so.

Sheesh, take a chill pill......

 

Hats off to Ford! They've created a great pony car and the first Mustang I've actually really liked in about 15 years! And I trust that they wont mess it up because it is their halo car and true piece of American culture.

However, as far as this future product goes, I hope they've got better stuff coming than I've heard about. A slew of FWD/AWD vehicles is cool to some, but not to all. Hopefully I'm wrong. The last thing I want to see is Ford being taken over by Toyota or even worse, going under

As far as missing the boat goes, people said Lexus missed the boat in the early 90's. Now they're captain of the damn ship.....

 

They do have a reason to try being the first to report on something. So in turn sometimes they may try to make something out of nothing to maybe hit a bullseye with a shot in the dark. Look at how easy it would be to see how someone could take something this Madden lady said, and twist it into something it's not. This is her from a few weeks back. "But Catherine Madden, a production analyst with Global Insight, said she expects the Chrysler Group, a division of DaimlerChrysler AG, to revive the Dodge Challenger in this segment by 2009.
"The information that we receive is from very different sources," she said. "It sounded like they were certainly interested in the prospect of going after a product like the Mustang. . .There's certainly no reason that DaimlerChrysler couldn't try and go after some of that volume."" That's from the thread here http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=377374 And now someone has a story with her as the only named source, and from this quote, it doesn't sound like she knows anything more than what she thinks would be smart for them to do, or what they might be interested in doing. No one told her they are going to produce it.

So there is a difference. That being that you will dismiss everything from Scott, Guy, Charlie, and others while passing some half quoted story from some automotive website as the truth. Even though you want something to be true, you should still look at it with an outsiders view and make a decision based on what is put in front of you, not what you blindly hope for. There most likely will be a Camaro, and it most likely wont take them until 2010. Get over it.

 

I doubt there will ever be a true concept. There might be a "95% production ready" model.

There was no Corvette concpet, just a "Here it is, please buy one model"

Think of the up roar if they come out with some hot looking concept and then deliver 3 or 4 years later a watered down version.

When GM showed the Solstice concept, it looked good. Then some IDIOT had the bright idea to show a near production model and the concept at a future NAIAS(I forget which year) within sight of each other. I stood in the middle of them and looked back and forth and said, "Well, as usual the concept looks better, as you would expect it to." I'm sure I'm not the only person that did that. The production model will never look as good, so to show both at the NAIAS was a very dumb move.

The final thing, it will be 54 months(I think) from the initial concept to a person can walk into a Pontiac dealer and walk out with a Solstice.

The car has been seen so much, it seems a bit old(but still looks good) and hasn't even come out yet. They did the same thing with the SSR.

Do you really want that for the Camaro too?

 

95% Pre-production model at 06' NAIAS.

Available Summer 06.



This is what they need.

 

Aight, I know I'm just some 530 post guy with not a high post count, but I just got back from Camaro Superfest where there were MANY high ranking Chevy employees and there was a definite confirmation that we'll see it this January.

 

Those Chevy guys weren't under the influence of adult beverages were they?

Seriously, thanks for another positive tidbit.