To get that stuff on the Mustang, you have to get the PREMIUM V6... it costs TWENTY GRAND , bot Eighteen grand! It's right there in your link!! The Preium Package on the Mustang is just like ordering the 1SB on the V6 Camaro...

Hence, the $1000 difference I said is there.


The T-Top thing is just pure BS. You CAN NOT GET THEM ON THE MUSTANG so to say that was a deciding factor is just crazy.

It is frustrating to see how blind some buyers are when looking for the car they want, and then place undue blame.

If you want to complain about the $1000 difference, fine, go ahead... but remember you get some things standard on Camaro that you pay for on Mustang, Like ABS among other things... but I hate it when people make up problems that arent even there!

 

No, it's not outlandish, but you CAN'Y GET THEM ON A MUSTANG so, you are making totally unfair comparisions... expecting T-Tops for FREE is simple minded.

That may be the case, but you are looking for a car that is now OUT OF PRODUCTION vs one that is STILL RUNNING. I'm sure if you looked a year ago, you would have found MANY MANY more choices, but if you read my original response, I do say that what the dealer's stock is more of a problem than anything else.

Well, I can't say anything except that is laziness on your part, as the buyer. Go to a dealer that WANTS TO HELP YOU... why give someone your business and money when they don't want to get you what you want?!?! That's like going to Burger Kind and ordering a Whoper, and they say "No, we are going to give you a Chicken Sandwich and you are going to like it!" And you just sheepishly say, "Oh, OK then Mr. Burger King Guy"

 

No...alot of the ISB content is on the base Mustang $18K Mustang (keyless entry, A/C, power mirrors). The $20,000 has options that would probaly equate to a damn near $25K V6...like the premiums stereo, power drivers seat, traction control, rear defroster, leather wrapped steering wheel, premium wheels..those are all Individual options on the Camaro.

As for T-tops..I don't know what you mean by the term [i]deciding factor[i]. I just stated that your average person buying a V6 Camaro would consider T-tops a Must Have option...part of it is the coolness factor, but mostly it is in resale. It is proven hartop cars, especially V6's have lower resale value and are harder to sell. Thus the average buyer will buy a car with them or simply not buy the car. In the next V6 car if GM adds T-tops and uses them as much as they have tehy should be standard on the car with the hard top a no cost option...much like the M6 or A4 on the V8. I am willing to bet 95% plus of the V6 cars would have T-tops since that segment is mostly concerned with appearence.

As for ABS...call me wierd, but i have had many cars with out and don't see it as a big issue. i would put even power door locks over it...but dealers push it as a safty issue.

 

I think this statement pretty much sums up why I am not going to even bother continuing this arguement anymore...

 

Similarly optioned Camaro..T-tops or not since you wanna be stupid about it costs signifigantly more than a V6 Mustang..live with it.

You price out all the options on a $20,100 Mustang Coupe Premium on a V6 Camaro and the car will be in the neighborhood of $24,000


Base for base the Camaro may only Cost $1,000 more but you also won't find a Camaro with out the $1,000 1SB pacakge (which almost all come on the Mustang Coupe Standard) so you already are looking at $1,000 in options..making the car $20,000 and only having ABS as an advantage over the Mustang.

1SB package =
Coupe 1SB

Power door lock system
Cruise control
Remote hatch/trunk release
Foglamps
Power windows with driver’s Express-Down feature
Dual remote electric sport mirrors
Remote Keyless Entry system with illuminated interior feature
Theft-deterrent alarm system with shock sensor

All most all of that except fog lamps and alarm is on the $18,000 car.

 

I have never been in a situation where ABS has helped me....to me it seems like it takes longer to stop actually. I guess it caters to most people reflex to slam on the brakes and pray in an emergency situation rather than modualte the brakes and steer around an impending threat. Now I do like ASR because it helps for things like black ice you can't see.

 

PacerX...you are right on target! The base models have to be "gotta have" products....not just throw away models. They need to be beautiful, well made and very fun to drive. I don't necessarily think they need to be base priced down there with a Cavalier...but they must be easy to insure.

 

And after you PAY FOR the Mustang's ABS option.. you are right at that $1000 more that I said the Camaro was from the beginning.

A Base Camaro with 1SB is about $21k not $24k...

Are you really this clueless about the prcing on these cars?!?

 

I see you fall under the same catagory of people that turn off the Traction Control because they are better than the computer like Scott was saying drives him nuts!.

I guess your robo-leg can pump the brakes faster than the computer, eh?

 

I used to feel that you take abuse in other areas of this board that is totally uncalled for. I'm beginning to re-evaluate that mind set....

1) So anyone who doesn't prefer T tops is not an educated consumer? What an incredibly ignorant comment from someone who is supposedly in tune with the industry.

2) Hard to sell? I've had more than a handful of people flag me down over the years and make unsolicited offers on my car.

3) You're worried about resale value with these cars? And you still bought a six cylinder?

4) Ugly? Appearance is highly subjective. However, what about your lumpy T top roof? I won't even get into the tacked on appearance of the "sport package".

*shakes head and walks away*

 

No I said I use ASR all the time because it helps with stuff like Black Ice you don't see...if a car has ABS or ASR I am fine with it and all..my point is ABS is not a must have option IMO...if it's not there I won't miss it.

I know a 1SB is $21K...but if you add all the stuff on the $20K Mustang Premium like the premium stereo, power drivers seat, traction control, rear defroster, leather wrapped steering wheel, premium wheels which are all individual options on the Camaro on top of ISB you will get a car approaching $24K and with T-tops $25K

 

Your credibility is really taking a dive now. Either your ABS is malfunctioning or you have never driven that thing in the winter. Perhaps you have been listening to some of the old school guys bench race.

ABS has saved my butt more than once. No, I don't drive like a lunatic in inclement weather and yes, I can actually drive my car.

 

I have no interest in a t-top Camaro.

Please educate me.

 

Unless I am wrong (an I could be on this one) , you can't even have an ASR-like system without ABS!

Believe me, you WILL miss ABS the first time you lock up your non-ABS brakes and slide into the car in front of you, whther it be rain, snow, or ice.

Rear defroster, Traction Control add about $600 to Camaro. The Camaro comes STANDARD with 16" alloys. I do not believe you get CHROMED wheels in the preium Mustang, so don't go adding that in too... The Leather steering wheel? Well OK, you're getting down to some ticky tacky stuff there... but I think you need to get the leather interior for that on a Camaro...

If you excuse the leather wrapped wheel, you are STILL only $1000 over Mustang, after you figure in Delivery Charge... so again... it's STILL opnly $1000... if the leather wrapped wheel means that much to you, then you need to base you buying decision on the Leather warpped steering wheel.

 

Also, to use your Black Ice example (Or snow... or mud... or rain... or whatever!) ...... how well do you think you'll do if you are trying to STOP on black ice without ABS? At least the ABS will give you a fighting chance, and even offer some steerablility in the situation! If you do not know the HUGE VALUE of ABS, you shouldn't even be discussing cars at all.