You missed, "It met my expectations" in the poll.

I believe within the constraints imposed by the perilous condition GM was/is in they did a great job in producing a car that can appeal to the vast majority of their target market.

The trouble is, they lost some hardcore Camaro enthusiasts that want the Camaro to be "the" car for them.

We picked ours up Tuesday. Put about 60 miles on it. It's a fine car for Cruising, "Show & Shine" and DD duty. It's NOT an autocross or HPDE car. In reality, how many more would they sell if it were, or a package was offered? If they can't build what they offer now fast enough what does it matter.

For my wife and I, it made us ask some serious questions about what's most important in the cars we have ... and if a couple of conditions work out right ... my brand new 2SS/RS and my wife's '07 Solstice Z0K will get replaced with a BMW 135i Cabrio with the M sport package.

 

Jason, is there crack in the water supply out there?

I can see not being a huge fan of the new Camaro dash (I don't mind the styling so much, but once again the high beltline / cowl height turn me off), but the '94-'04 Mustang dash is HORRIBLE. I mean, the look of it is not bad. But I recently sat in one (and had been in one or two prior to that), as I was thinking maybe I'd try out a GT or Cobra convertible for a while. But the dash and door panels put an end to that notion. Horribly cheap and shoddy feeling. My LT1 interior is nicer, at least from a dash / doors / IP standpoint. The '97-'02 F-car dashes are even better. The Stang was made worse when I noticed that, like the GMT800 and 900 trucks, the steering column is offset toward the outside of the car (coming from the firewall outward).

I really like the '05-'09 Mustangs, inside and out. But the prev Mustang interior, no way.

My $0.02.

 

EXACTLY how I feel. It would be about perfect then, assuming that thinning effect could be carried around to the rear of the car.

At the Good Guy Nationals last weekend, there was a 2010 SS sitting next to a '69 SS. The '69 had been lowered some, so the height comparison was a little out of whack. But the bulk / thickness difference was astounding, especially at the rear. I mean, all cars have this issue today compared to cars of that era (look at the 2010 Stang compared to a '66, or a Malibu compared to a Chevelle, or...). But the rear of the new Camaro actually looks awkward to me somehow, and it is hard to describe (though the overall thickness of it is part of the problem).

 

Joe...you been on the suds too much at Red Robin lately, my friend? When I meant OLD Mustang dash I MEANT the '05-'09 (hence the reference to the demo '07 I have right now)...the '10 is significantly different!

FWIW, I love the high cowl in the 5th gen...it feels so mean Too bad I can't hang my arm out the window sill though...

 

Reading comprehension > Joe



I swear I read that '07 as '97. I was checking the specs on the endline for the, rotary, girder. I'm retarded.

 

Art, I think you pegged me pretty well there. I wanted this Camaro to be the car, not a car.

135i huh? Great car. Last time you were here we were talking about BMW's, what happened to have you consider one now?

Anyhoo, today I replaced my 20 year old (traction-less)Gatorbacks on my IROC-Z with Goodyear F1's. Holy smokes!!!! I'd forgotten how much fun that car could be with actual traction!

 

We took a couple for a drive.

We did a 1,600 mile round trip in 80°+ weather with our Solstice for an autoX event that really emphasized all the practical shortcomings of the best looking, best handling car I have ever driven. We decided half-way home that we would never do that type of a trip again.

The 2SS/RS, while being everything I thought it would be, didn't make me "fall in love" the way I hoped it would.

The BMW should be an adequate autocross car, it offers the creature comforts that we (but apparently not 99% of Camaro buyers) want, such as power memory seats, dual zone automatic climate control, fully automatic convertible top and tonneau cover, etc. and it's available now.

The deal isn't done yet but it's fairly probable.

 

to me because the beltline is so high the body is too tall both visually and physically. I was thinking M3 proprotions would be really nice for size. does anyone know if the high beltline due to impact standards? That being said the production car for me looked alot better in person. The concept to me looked the same as it did in pictures, so I wasnt expecting that.

 

I think you'll enjoy the 135i immensely, especially with the M package. Perhaps you'll even "fall in love" with it.

 

There are bound to be some folks who conclude the Camaro is not "the" car for them. It's not meant to get 50 MPG. Not meant to haul a family of seven in style. Not optimized just for autocross (IMHO, Thank God). So good luck with your overpriced BMW... a $43,615 car which edmunds.com says will cost you a whopping $58k to own five years, and suffer $20,870 depreciation in that period

In the meantime, a comparably equipped Camaro 2SS can be had for $35k

It's bizarre to compare the Camaro 2SS with the new teeny Beemy anyway. One, a striking, gorgeous, rumbling, import-stomping American muscle car; the other an overpriced, teensy, buglike lawyermobile.

 

Damn, how the hell did I end up on the Camaro5 board?

 

Hmm. Ya, I'm serious. But no, I'm not suggesting he leave the board. I do wish he'd go find a car to "love on" instead of spending so much devotion here "hating on" one he has said he's not going to buy. He's perfectly free to post anywhere. I'm not a mod here, and even if I was, I don't know if he's broken any rules. But I don't have to welcome his chronic Camaro complaining with open arms (I have rights here too, remember?). BTW I did not know you were his spokesperson
Take a look right here in this thread. Currently the voting has it 2 to 1, far more people were impressed after seeing the real Camaro. And how many distinct members have chimed in right here, to repeat their Eeyore litany? I won't name any names... but it's the same crew as usual...



I could name three "OMG-Serious!" flaws in the other two of Camaro's main competitors... but I'm not going to drag them down since I'm generally a fan of American muscle cars anyway. News flash: all nice new cars cost a lot in 2009 (sorry! 1985 ended a while ago). The Camaro is still a tremendous performance value though, for today.

 

LOL. That might have gone over the head of a few select folks....who probably don't even know you were whacking them upside the head...

 

So witty, yet ironic that being a fan of the Camaro on a Camaro site is looked down upon. Oh how this board has gone downhill in the last few years. I stopped coming here for a a couple years and came back to Importlovers/Mustangguys/Camarohaters, it feels so different here now.

 

I feel quite the opposite, I'd be just as critical if the Mustang site I regularly posted to was Mustang5.com

Theres nothing wrong with being a big fan of any particular car, but when the rosey glasses and blinders are super glued on what good purpose does it serve?

I highly reccomend this site and this sub-forum in particular when I post elsewhere (even when I'm on non-car forums) because the content isn't Camaro5 grade altered reality.