Pontiac builds car for Vin Diesel???? Kinda long!
#16
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IZ28:
Incorrect Guion. There hasn't been a year since both 67 models that the Camaro hasn't outsold the Firebird every year.</font>
Incorrect Guion. There hasn't been a year since both 67 models that the Camaro hasn't outsold the Firebird every year.</font>
That having been said, I found the sales figures of the late 70s Z28 & TransAm, so hold on:
1977: Z28-14,349 / TransAm-68,745
1978: Z28-84,877 / TransAm-117,109 :EEK:
1980: Z28-45,137 / TransAm-50,896 (1st year of turbo 301)
1981: Z28-43,272 / TransAm-33,493
1982(First 3rd gen): Z28-64,882 / TransAm-52,960
BTW:
Biggest TransAm year: 1979 @ 117,109
Biggest Z28 year: 1984 @ 100,899
Just to put 1979 TransAm sales into perspective, and to show you how successful it was, the combined sales of ALL f-bodies last year was around 60,000 cars! Also, compare that ONE model with Mustang's current sales of about 130,000 cars....and it's considered successful today!
#17
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by guionM:
Just to put 1979 TransAm sales into perspective, and to show you how successful it was, the combined sales of ALL f-bodies last year was around 60,000 cars! Also, compare that ONE model with Mustang's current sales of about 130,000 cars....and it's considered successful today!
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Just to put 1979 TransAm sales into perspective, and to show you how successful it was, the combined sales of ALL f-bodies last year was around 60,000 cars! Also, compare that ONE model with Mustang's current sales of about 130,000 cars....and it's considered successful today!
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Mark
94 Z28, Red, A4, 3:23
Lone Mods--LPE CAI, !Lapeer Dragway.
(Hey, I'm a college boy I can't afford gobs of bolt-ons!)
Best time: 14.658 @ 95.1
with SES light on and Driver off! (First and only time at track)
The F-body will NEVER die.
#19
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by guionM:
True, but the 400cid "T/A 6.6" engine came out in 1977.
Side note: The 1977 T/A 6.6 made as much horsepower as the previous year's 455HO, and had a power increase the following year. Another TransAm engine of the day was the Oldsmobile 403, which was also a 6.6 (w/o the T/A designator) that was on all California & Automatic transmissioned cars.
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True, but the 400cid "T/A 6.6" engine came out in 1977.
Side note: The 1977 T/A 6.6 made as much horsepower as the previous year's 455HO, and had a power increase the following year. Another TransAm engine of the day was the Oldsmobile 403, which was also a 6.6 (w/o the T/A designator) that was on all California & Automatic transmissioned cars.
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2000 SS #6041
A4, 3.23,
HPP, 160Stat, !EGR,descreened MAF, Baker Hose
13.42 @ 104.39
Previous GM: 74 Firebird, 74 T/A, (2) 76 Formulas, 77 Formula, (2)77 T/As, 79 T/A, (2)86 T/As, 87 Formula, 88 Formula, 84
Vette, 93 Z28, 93 Formula, 76 SE T/A, 96 SS
#20
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by guionM:
True, but the 400cid "T/A 6.6" engine came out in 1977.</font>
True, but the 400cid "T/A 6.6" engine came out in 1977.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Side note: The 1977 T/A 6.6 made as much horsepower as the previous year's 455HO, and had a power increase the following year. Another TransAm engine of the day was the Oldsmobile 403, which was also a 6.6 (w/o the T/A designator) that was on all California & Automatic transmissioned cars.</font>
#21
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fbody_forever:
The TA 455 last offered in '76 had 225 HP. The base 400 offered in 77-79 had 180 HP. The optional "T/A 6.6" had 200 HP in 77 and 78, but jumped to 220 for 79. I have owned all of the above, and I will tell you that anyone would want the 455 over all of the 400s due to the torque advantage. A set of duals on the 455 was good for 30 HP! The 400 cars were all top end. Most would not spin the tires with an automatic.
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The TA 455 last offered in '76 had 225 HP. The base 400 offered in 77-79 had 180 HP. The optional "T/A 6.6" had 200 HP in 77 and 78, but jumped to 220 for 79. I have owned all of the above, and I will tell you that anyone would want the 455 over all of the 400s due to the torque advantage. A set of duals on the 455 was good for 30 HP! The 400 cars were all top end. Most would not spin the tires with an automatic.
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#22
Couple of other interesting items I learned while looking up TransAm history:
*The orignal Firebirds (till the 2nd gen came out) had OVERHEAD CAM L6 engines. GM replaced them on the 2nd gen with OHV 6s because of cost. OHC L6 also had a 4 barrel carb option!
*The 1989 TransAm with the turbo V6 was rated at 250 horsepower, but had closer to 290 (more than LT1s) and flew from 0-60 in 5 seconds (5.1-5.5 range) & did 14 second quarters.
*The 1980 Turbo T/As were not only dogs (the 82 cross fire injected cars were faster), but with the turbocharger & all the tubing, the powerplant weighed more than the 455 did, and in the real world (it came only with the automatic) got worse fuel economy than the much faster T/A 6.6 it replaced!
*The orignal Firebirds (till the 2nd gen came out) had OVERHEAD CAM L6 engines. GM replaced them on the 2nd gen with OHV 6s because of cost. OHC L6 also had a 4 barrel carb option!
*The 1989 TransAm with the turbo V6 was rated at 250 horsepower, but had closer to 290 (more than LT1s) and flew from 0-60 in 5 seconds (5.1-5.5 range) & did 14 second quarters.
*The 1980 Turbo T/As were not only dogs (the 82 cross fire injected cars were faster), but with the turbocharger & all the tubing, the powerplant weighed more than the 455 did, and in the real world (it came only with the automatic) got worse fuel economy than the much faster T/A 6.6 it replaced!
#23
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by guionM:
Couple of other interesting items I learned while looking up TransAm history:
*The orignal Firebirds (till the 2nd gen came out) had OVERHEAD CAM L6 engines. GM replaced them on the 2nd gen with OHV 6s because of cost. OHC L6 also had a 4 barrel carb option!
*The 1989 TransAm with the turbo V6 was rated at 250 horsepower, but had closer to 290 (more than LT1s) and flew from 0-60 in 5 seconds (5.1-5.5 range) & did 14 second quarters.
*The 1980 Turbo T/As were not only dogs (the 82 cross fire injected cars were faster), but with the turbocharger & all the tubing, the powerplant weighed more than the 455 did, and in the real world (it came only with the automatic) got worse fuel economy than the much faster T/A 6.6 it replaced!</font>
Couple of other interesting items I learned while looking up TransAm history:
*The orignal Firebirds (till the 2nd gen came out) had OVERHEAD CAM L6 engines. GM replaced them on the 2nd gen with OHV 6s because of cost. OHC L6 also had a 4 barrel carb option!
*The 1989 TransAm with the turbo V6 was rated at 250 horsepower, but had closer to 290 (more than LT1s) and flew from 0-60 in 5 seconds (5.1-5.5 range) & did 14 second quarters.
*The 1980 Turbo T/As were not only dogs (the 82 cross fire injected cars were faster), but with the turbocharger & all the tubing, the powerplant weighed more than the 455 did, and in the real world (it came only with the automatic) got worse fuel economy than the much faster T/A 6.6 it replaced!</font>
* The 301 has to be one of the biggest boat anchors of all time. They are heavy for their size even in non-turbo form. A Pontiac 400 actually weighs more than a 455 does - same block, less material.
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