Screw CTSv, I got an EVO
04-24-2003, 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by Z28x
THe new Evo is quick, but it is a cheap $12,000 car with a $20,000 suspension and powertrain upgrade. I have seen old Chevettes do 10 sec. in the 1/4mi.
Plus it doesn't have that classy look of an M3 or CTSv.
if I was going to pay $30K-36K on a new car I'd get the CTSv, no need to cheap out to save 3 or 4 grand. if you really wanted to save some cash you should have just got the SRT-4 there is only like a 2/10th sec difference in the 1/4mi.
chicks will think you gay in your Evo. (not that there is anything wrong with that)
THe new Evo is quick, but it is a cheap $12,000 car with a $20,000 suspension and powertrain upgrade. I have seen old Chevettes do 10 sec. in the 1/4mi.
Plus it doesn't have that classy look of an M3 or CTSv.
if I was going to pay $30K-36K on a new car I'd get the CTSv, no need to cheap out to save 3 or 4 grand. if you really wanted to save some cash you should have just got the SRT-4 there is only like a 2/10th sec difference in the 1/4mi.
chicks will think you gay in your Evo. (not that there is anything wrong with that)
As great as SRT-4's straight-line performance is, it's no good handler. And it IS only FWD, and has LOTS of torque steer. It doesn't even compare to Evo. SRT-4 is designed to be an econobox car with great engine. Evo is designed to be a solid performer in all respects (handling, breaking, not just acceleration). And we will see which car will start to fall apart in 3 years, you bet your shiny metal *** my money is on the Neon. (Italics Bender's)
04-25-2003, 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by Schismblade
Saying an Evo can beat a C5 is rediculous. Add the Z06 to the mix and it's straight up no contest.
Saying an Evo can beat a C5 is rediculous. Add the Z06 to the mix and it's straight up no contest.
Now it is all but confirmed that the CTSv will sticker for $40k+...but this Evo is pulling off just as impressive performance for UNDER $30,000!!
--and near everyone is slamming this guy for buying one!! It is a credit to the Evo that it is even being mentioned in the same breath as the Corvette. I would hope a Vette/Z06 will outperform it---it costs $20k+ more!!And for those who insist on drawing comparisons or making the case for a SRT-4 (which is "only" a half second slower to sixty and a full second in the quarter) because of a cheaper price tag is like suggesting someone buy a Mustang GT over a Trans Am WS6. It's the same type of car, right? Why not save some coin and get close to the same performance?? We all know there is more to those two cars, just as there are more that separates the Evo and SRT-4. It's just a matter of the people on this board knowing nothing more about them than what the magazines print on the last page.
BTW, I think many would consider the Viper "less than spectacular" in areas outside of its engine and performance numbers. It is still an $80k muscle car, and--certainly moreso with the first gens--was known to have low quality interiors and heat issues for its occupants. Why do you think the Vette is usually the winner in the head-to-heads? It's delivers almost the same performance and is a higher quality and more livable car.
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04-25-2003, 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by CLEAN
slt, what minor mods can be done to get the EVO into the 12's?
slt, what minor mods can be done to get the EVO into the 12's?
I'm not saying this car is a corvette killer, I'm comparing the two more for dramatic effect. In all reality, stock vs stock, the Corvette would win more times than it would loose, BUT it would be a damn close race and Evo would definatley win in the hadling department, all for $15,000 less. The EVO beats the corvette at it's own game when it comes to affordable performance.
And if the CTSv does come out @$36,000, I will eat my $500 deposit I layed down for the EVO and buy one.
04-25-2003, 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by Z28x
THe new Evo is quick, but it is a cheap $12,000 car with a $20,000 suspension and powertrain upgrade. I have seen old Chevettes do 10 sec. in the 1/4mi.
THe new Evo is quick, but it is a cheap $12,000 car with a $20,000 suspension and powertrain upgrade. I have seen old Chevettes do 10 sec. in the 1/4mi.
Plus it doesn't have that classy look of an M3 or CTSv.
if I was going to pay $30K-36K on a new car I'd get the CTSv, no need to cheap out to save 3 or 4 grand.
if you really wanted to save some cash you should have just got the SRT-4 there is only like a 2/10th sec difference in the 1/4mi.
chicks will think you gay in your Evo. (not that there is anything wrong with that)
04-25-2003, 11:06 AM
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Hope you enjoy it--at least it has power to back up all the scoops ect. Still a pretty impressive car any way you look at it. Peronally the sound of the Subaru flat-4 is supposed to be wicked but to each his own. PLEASE ditch the wing!
04-25-2003, 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by slt
The EVO is not a 12K lancer with just a power train upgrade, Major structural reinforcements give it twice the rigidity of a lancer. I could wast a lot of space going over the differences/improvements. The two share very little in common. This is not a neon w/a turbo....
...Again, the SRT is just a Neon w/ a turbo. It doesn't compare to the EVO.
The EVO is not a 12K lancer with just a power train upgrade, Major structural reinforcements give it twice the rigidity of a lancer. I could wast a lot of space going over the differences/improvements. The two share very little in common. This is not a neon w/a turbo....
...Again, the SRT is just a Neon w/ a turbo. It doesn't compare to the EVO.
What you pointed out is pretty much exactly the point a few people here are raising. Despite massive structural improvements, it's still (at least in passing) a $14K cheap sedan being sold at $30K. Even if next to a more reasonably priced regular WRX (with much of the same pieces & reinforcements) it still costs $6,000 more!
Though the SRT-4 isn't a rally car with a history built on a rally race circuit or video games, will still no doubt be considered by the same people who would buy a WRX or EVO. DCX basically went the old fashioned route of mating a relatively extremely powerful engine with one of their lightest cars and created a godawfully quick rocket-sled at little more than the price of a Mustang V6 w/ automatic! Maybe it torque-steers like crazy, but no debating the fun-per-dollar factor (and that on dry pavement, the outcome of a race with the $30K AWD cars isn't guaranteed).
04-25-2003, 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by 305fan
Hold the phone! The 2.4L that DC uses is a Mitsu motor??? Are you sure? The Turbo is definaltey a Mitsu but I thought the 2.4L was DC---it has a very low reline like most domestic 4 cly.
Hold the phone! The 2.4L that DC uses is a Mitsu motor??? Are you sure? The Turbo is definaltey a Mitsu but I thought the 2.4L was DC---it has a very low reline like most domestic 4 cly.
04-25-2003, 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by guionM
DCX basically went the old fashioned route of mating a .....
DCX basically went the old fashioned route of mating a .....
I think the SRT will be a very fun car to drive, but for enthusiasts it leaves alot to be desired, much like my GF's GTI. It will be interesting to see if it gets any credit, it tag line in it's demographic right now seems to be "yeah, but its a neon"
04-25-2003, 11:45 AM
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I just think the SRT-4 is the deal of the century (I'm a cheap bastard ). At the price they're going for, and the fact that kids today are into FWD & turbos, I think Dodge just struck a gold mine.
BTW, this was on Autoweek today, regarding the new EVO:
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=07968955
On a related story(since we are on the EVO/SRT-4 subject)....the next Neon will be based on the Lancer! (you can't make this stuff up):
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=04203847
). At the price they're going for, and the fact that kids today are into FWD & turbos, I think Dodge just struck a gold mine.BTW, this was on Autoweek today, regarding the new EVO:
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=07968955
On a related story(since we are on the EVO/SRT-4 subject)....the next Neon will be based on the Lancer! (you can't make this stuff up):
Chrysler's next-generation Chrysler Sebring and PT Cruiser and Dodge Stratus and Neon will be developed from the same Mitsubishi Lancer platform. Mitsubishi plants also will be equipped to assemble the Chrysler and Dodge versions.
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04-25-2003, 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by slt
You seem to really like the SRT I think the SRT will be a very fun car to drive, but for enthusiasts it leaves alot to be desired, much like my GF's GTI.
You seem to really like the SRT
I think the SRT will be a very fun car to drive, but for enthusiasts it leaves alot to be desired, much like my GF's GTI.
04-25-2003, 03:14 PM
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Actually, the SRT-4 is an exceptionally good handling car, so the extra handles would be for passengers to hold onto as the car digs into corners.
http://www.allpar.com/neon/neon-srt-4.html (everything you'd probally want to know about the SRT-4):
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caran...dtest_srt4.xml (Car and Driver's article on it)
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/24.html (everything you'd want to know about the 2.4 engine)
http://www.allpar.com/neon/neon-srt-4.html (everything you'd probally want to know about the SRT-4):
"...Almost unheard of in the compact car enthusiast arena, superior driveability from a production car is a Dodge Neon trademark that continues with SRT-4. Like autocross devotees, SRT-4 owners also will enjoy the car's agile handling capability made possible by 17-inch aluminum performance wheels, sticky 50 series tires, specially tuned strut and spring assemblies (front and rear), sway bars (front and rear), updated knuckles and a unique K-member"
"...This car is really put together in a way that my old Neon never was (regardless of the power train)..."
"...This car is really put together in a way that my old Neon never was (regardless of the power train)..."
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/24.html (everything you'd want to know about the 2.4 engine)