Well, it IS a Camaro/Chevrolet/GM/American car website.

 

But that doesn't mean one should leave their brain and their ability to think rationally/objectively at the home page.

 

A video documentation would be great of the duplication of this issue.. Id like to see that.

 

Unfortunately, that kind of "documentation" can also be rigged to prove a "desired" outcome.

 

Never said they should.

But, again, I can't help but notice the Camaro at the top of the screen.

When I signed up to this board over 10 years ago, I did it because I wanted to interact with like-minded people.
Quite frankly, I didn't come on here so that I could read posts about how much better foreign cars are and how bad American cars are. And there are members (both past & present) that do this. 2 come to mind right off the bat.
If I wanted that, I could log onto any message board put out by the news agencies.

And I know there are several others on this board who feel like me.
Does that make us "fan boys"? Maybe. But so what? Is it so bad to have an enthusiasm for a subject and want to share that with other people who think like you and not to be flamed for said enthusiasm from some troll who just signed up just to bash? I certainly don't think so.
I would bet that was the original intent of this board.

So yeah, maybe some members speak from their emotions. There's nothing wrong with that. Cars have always been very emotional and they will continue to be.

 

I came here because I was interested in Camaros. Admittedly I've lost most of that interest by now. I'm here mostly for the lounge these days, and then I visit this forum because I'm interested in cars in general. Especially the future of the industry.

Just because I have an interest in GM cars doesn't mean I need to cast them in a holy light of infallibility or that I can't have a similar interest in other brands of cars.

IMO, some people here would do well to be a little less like-minded in some ways. Like-minded seems to be akin to close-minded sometimes.

 

I'm with this guy.

It's not a matter of close-mindedness. It's a matter of having principles.

I choose to give US-based companies first shot at my business, every time I buy something. I choose to keep an open mind and give them a chance.

Most people don't even give them a chance. They've been programmed to think, "Japanese = reliable, German = prestige, American = junk." Even when there's widespread evidence that Japanese cars aren't any better than US models. Even when the Mercedes and BMWs they own are in the shop more times than any American car they ever owned.

It's a terrible attitude, and it's come to pervade everything. Even within businesses, it's common to simply assume "Well, China is the world's manufacturing floor, so let's not even bother to quote it here in the USA." They don't even try anymore. And so they trade their manufacturing jobs for two levels of markup (one at China, one for them), shipping, and management costs.

And it's a vicious circle. People hear about it and say, "There are no real American companies anymore, why even bother?" It's the fashionable, college-educated, upper-middle-class rationalization to buy anything they want without guilt--even as they rabidly support "buy local" campaigns in their own city!

But they're fooling themselves. There are a lot of companies still making things here in the US, from US parts, and they are worth seeking out and supporting, as long as their products are of similar or better quality.

I know, because I just started a company in an industry where it's "impossible" to compete with the imports. And we're making everything here in the US. People constantly ask us "how the hell do you do this?" My answer is, "We actually put some thought into it, rather than simply outsourcing." If anyone's interested, the company is http://www.schiit.com.

But this isn't a commercial for us. This is about having principles. Taking off the blinders. Resisting selection bias. And giving our own industries a fair shot.

And if negative press for Toyota helps open some people's eyes, then I'm all for it.

 

I salute you and your company's business model. Keep that commitment going!

 

It's remarkable how small a world we live in some days. I have recently expressed almost the exact same points even to the point of using the nearly the same words to people on this board. To bad we're not closer or I'd buy you a beer.

 

Some Toyotas are built here in the states, as in the Tundra..that is built in Texas....right??

 

Just had a guy in a Camry run into the post office in Cedar Rapids 2 weeks ago rather than blow a red light when his throttle hung.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38645077/ns/business-autos

 

The comments on that article are priceless

FYI poncho, the gov't is not a trustworthy source for anything, ever

 

Very cool. I am quite fond of tube audio. I even built an all tube preamp and power amp.

 

Pretty cool, centric.