I could really care less about your friends...This has nothing to do with him...So dont even bother getting a video. I know how loud it was...I have no reason to lie about anything...If this was a lie why would I be pushing so hard and trying to comprimise with you?

matt

 

ive tried to comprmise with u 2 but im not gonna go out of my way to give u 400 bucks for somethign that isnt true nor is it my fualt

 

so it isnt true? I gave you proof of what is wrong with it...Do I have to go take pixs of it? How have you tried to comprimise? I started at trying to get you to pay all of it, then I droped it to 400...you started at 200 and havent budged

matt

 

i havent budged b/c it isnt phisically broken ur making like u cant even drive it i could see if it was actually broken but it only whines

 

Anyone can write a few lines on a piece of paper and call it proof. Nobody here knows who this person is. Maybe you should take it to a shop that specializes in gears. I say this because I took my car to a shop because of gear wine, they said the same exact thing you are being told. It was a reputable shop too. When I decided to get the work done I took it to a shop that specialized in gears. They said it all looked ok, infact looked almost new! It was just noisy, thats all. I had it all replaced anyway, and now it wines again, just not as bad. Good luck, but I think you're over reacting...

 

It is a shop that specializes in gears..they are JDS Induction. The do gears and motors...Look up there number online at yellowpages.com and ask for Russ.

matt

 

http://bellsouthpwp.net/x/x/xxsaint6...2069%20Camaro/

i think a guy with a 8 sec camaro that thas been working on race cars all his life, and is able to set up a rear end to make 0 noise would know what he is talking about

 

Well, I must come to Fran's defense here.

I just bought a brand new 12 bolt with 4.11 gears from Moser. It has less than 1,000 miles on it and it has a pretty good whine to it. I can here the whine over my Hooker long tubes. No I do not have cutouts. I was told by Moser that this was normal whine. You have a choice when you order the rear end, do you want gears that are going to be strong but noisey or quiet and weak. I ordered a Moser 12 bolt for strength.

I think Moser might know a little bit about gears and rear ends. They buillt the friggin rear end, I am going to listen to them.

So I guess my new rear end is bad as well. Right.

We need to define what whine is and excessive whine here.

Fran's car has been racing down here in Houston on the supposedly broken rear end all year. If he has been running that fast with a broken rear end then I would hate to race him on his new ford 9" then.

Who is to say that he is not getting scammed here? What the heck kind of business does there receipt's on plain lined paper?

I have a hard time believing that this rear was bad like stated. I have seen this car run and it is fast. Also, I know the shop that did all of the work on his car, they put my new rear end in as well. The owner of the Speed shop was telling me to buy his rear end but I have TCS and I also wanted my ABS. His rear did not have ABS otherwise I would have bought it along with the Denny's Nitrous driveshaft.

Now, the speed shop had his car already there at their shop, don't you think that they would have known the rear end was bad? Maybe I am wrong but if it was as bad as it is being made to believe, I am sure they would have known this.


Taken from Moser's site. See link below.

OEM Gears vs. Performance Aftermarket Gears
Our high-performance aftermarket gears are the strongest gears available. Made from 8620 grade steel, our ring & pinion gears have been developed for strength. Made for shorter patterns, our gears favor the 'toe' of the gear, which under load the gear pattern moves toward the 'heel' of the gear for strength. Each gear set is marked with a depth for recommended set-up. The marking is figured based on the wear pattern during testing of each particular gear set.

The two primary differences between OEM gears and aftermarket gears are as follows:
OEM gears are not made with as much nickel as aftermarket gears, which in turn does not make them as strong. Conversely, OEM may not be as strong due to the material make-up, but because of the lack of nickel in the product, the gears may be quieter.
The impact value is substantially lower for OEM gears, meaning they WILL NOT be able to handle the demands of excessive horsepower as seen in more advanced drag racing.

There is a trade off. If you do race and have excessive horsepower, you will need an aftermarket gear. But keep in mind, the gears are made for strength and the ability to withstand the demands of racing. If you are using your automobile as both your daily drive AND your race car, can you live with more noise on a day to day basis? You need to decide this prior to purchasing aftermarket gears.


http://www.moserengineering.com/mose...s.asp?CatID=28

 

damn finally peopel are starting to see my point exactly zepp thank u so much for goin out of ur way and doing that

 

Yoyu still dont get it do you? I know there is going to be a whine it isnt supposed to scream...over a open cut out? No! I understand it is supposed to whine I have had my share of rears Trust me I know...This isnt normal...Well maybe u should have bought it tghen you would know what im talking about...No they wouldnt know it is bad if they didnt pull it apart and look at it.


matt

 

oooffff....long post to read...

couple points
1. mosers or supose to wine. yes. but i have lots of experience with them and the winer audiable...but not excessive. alomost just a " light huummmmmm...."
It sound as if they are screaming. exagereation, maybe but i dont think they are good based on reading post only and own personally experience.

2. He said the gears teeth were knife tapered. that is definately bad setup symtom.

3. I dont know whos at fault. I think some compensation is called for. not all $635, but i think half is very appropriate. They both share in the blame. I believe fran did in fact know his rear was taking a chit and that why he sold it. A 12 bolts in good condition is good past 1000 hp, fran did not need a 9in, but simply knew his rear end was on a downhill path, so he sold it.
lillbush5555 was at fault for not realizing Fran is a choad and for taking a chance. i have got f'ed over several times, and i got some good deal. its really really sucks when you deal with someone with such **** poor integrity like Fran. But as will all the people i have delt with in bad deal, they have never sold again. Ushally not by my fault tho, but by there own. FOR EXAMPLE: Fran reply on here and i think everyone here will agree with me, ruined his on creditablity and made himself look like a total douche. is his fault

Seller, you have to CYA. I have been in a situation before, sold something, best of my knowlage was in great shape, guy got it and something was wrong with it. but thats when you gotta be a man and take a hit. i gave them a full refund and they were never happeir. Fran is not someone i will every deal with from now on, and that only cause of the way he conducted himself on this thread

 

Send the bad parts to MOSER and let them decide.

 

first of all how the **** did u know i didnt need a new rear.. ur right i didnt NEED a new one but i got a th400 and with 4:11's my top speed would have been 109 so i needed new gears and im mkaing my car a drag car so i also wanted a spool and i figured it was cheaper to sell my 12 bolt and get a 9 inch rather than get new gears and a spool for the 12 bolt so i got a 9 inch with 370's a spool 35 spline gun drilled axles. so dont come the **** on here saying u know i didnt need a rear and saying i sold it b/c it was trashed i sold it b/c it ws ****in cheaper u dont know me froma ****in whole in the ground so dont go around talking like u do ******* mind ur own ****in business and stay out of others

 

i agree

 

I just looked at Franz profile. He says he is an engine builder. How could an engine builder not know good from bad?

Somebody is telling a lie. Either the engine builder or the rear end builder.

Somehow I don't think the shop trying to make $600 is making up what he sees.

Split it. Thats what an adult would do. Each one shares the burden of the misunderstanding.

No, wait, don't split it. Keep fighting. This thread is too amusing.