355 LT1 built for boost
#1
355 LT1 built for boost
Guys, I have some questions on building a 355 LT1 for alot of boost. Somewhere in the 18 to 22lb range for a turbo project. First question, is it possible to put this much boost on a 355 LT1 with well chosen performance parts ? I'm in the process of locating a bare LT1 block to start building the bottom end. What happens if I take the block out to 357 CI, does this present any problem with bore or stroke and durability of running that much boost or should I try to keep the clean-up on bore to a minimum (.10 over). I'm starting off with some real simple questions, so I can figure out the basics of what I can and can't do with a small cube big boost application. This site has the best info of any that I frequent and look forward to your input and help Anybody who would like to provide me with a basic outline of what they would do first to the block to prepare for this type of HP assault on engine internals please speak up.
#2
No, but I would make sure to half fill the block.
#3
Like we talk about earlier, if your goals are for 700-750rwhp then half fill isnt necessary. I would like to hear people's experience with half fill though. he wants to street drive this in the Texas heat.
#5
Realquick,
I was just reposting this info on CZ28.com to see if I can cover all my bases. I agree on the block fill situation, I just want to Half Fill just to be safe. I don't think it will be too much of an issue, hopefully ?
Eric @ Victory,
Starting out, I will want the ability to reach the target of 18 to 20 psi and if the motor makes more than 750 ish would the compstar rods take the punishment ? I'm looking into doing Pro-Grams slayed caps with ARP fastener, what do you think of those two items.
joe-96z1le,
If I just do .010 over I would have to do a custom set of pistons, right ? I was thinking .030 over to keep the price of the pistons in line with standard pricing.
I was just reposting this info on CZ28.com to see if I can cover all my bases. I agree on the block fill situation, I just want to Half Fill just to be safe. I don't think it will be too much of an issue, hopefully ?
Eric @ Victory,
Starting out, I will want the ability to reach the target of 18 to 20 psi and if the motor makes more than 750 ish would the compstar rods take the punishment ? I'm looking into doing Pro-Grams slayed caps with ARP fastener, what do you think of those two items.
joe-96z1le,
If I just do .010 over I would have to do a custom set of pistons, right ? I was thinking .030 over to keep the price of the pistons in line with standard pricing.
#6
The Compstars will handle the power you are describing, and are a very nice rod in my opinion. Arp fasteners is a must, and I use the Pro-Gram/Callies billet splayed main caps and am very happy with them. Alot of companies relabel Pro-Gram caps with their own logos.
Realquick,
Eric @ Victory,
Starting out, I will want the ability to reach the target of 18 to 20 psi and if the motor makes more than 750 ish would the compstar rods take the punishment ? I'm looking into doing Pro-Grams slayed caps with ARP fastener, what do you think of those two items.
Eric @ Victory,
Starting out, I will want the ability to reach the target of 18 to 20 psi and if the motor makes more than 750 ish would the compstar rods take the punishment ? I'm looking into doing Pro-Grams slayed caps with ARP fastener, what do you think of those two items.
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#8
Eagle H-beams with L19 rod bolts are going for $400 these days. You can't beat the price for a rod capable of 1000-1200hp.
A 2618 alloy piston is the only way to go for those boost levels. JE makes some good off the shelf -22cc ones for around $650. There's a lot of other good manufacturers like Diamond. At that level of boost, I'd get the piston tops and chambers coated for a little added safety.
A good 4340 crank will work. Spending more here will help with weight and windage more than anything. Lunati and Callies both make nice pieces.
A 2618 alloy piston is the only way to go for those boost levels. JE makes some good off the shelf -22cc ones for around $650. There's a lot of other good manufacturers like Diamond. At that level of boost, I'd get the piston tops and chambers coated for a little added safety.
A good 4340 crank will work. Spending more here will help with weight and windage more than anything. Lunati and Callies both make nice pieces.
Last edited by Roadie; 11-09-2006 at 04:59 PM.
#9
Do you guys think the EAGLE rods can withstand the punishment and would I be better off saving some money on the rods and putting the extra money I saved into the crank ? I was looking into coating the piston tops, but was unsure about other items that needed a good coating. What kind of coating are we discussing ? I assume coating will reduce detonation.
#10
Prevent piston skirt scuffing and galling, extending piston ring seal life with DCI MOS2/Teflon skirt coating.
Protect piston tops with a high temperature highly reflective heat barrier. Enhances flame propagation, reflects more heat into the combustion chamber and off piston tops, piston rings and lands.
Protect piston tops with a high temperature highly reflective heat barrier. Enhances flame propagation, reflects more heat into the combustion chamber and off piston tops, piston rings and lands.
#11
I would go with the callies crank and rods, even though the compstar's are callies they are still chineese metal. I am almost done mocking up the trurbo kit for my car and i am not going to risk everything over saving 2k on the roatating assembly.
#12
How much $$$ am I looking @ for the Callies crank and rods ? Remember this is a 355 CI at best. I'm wondering if I can actually turn 6500 ish with this much boost on a 76GTS or something similar. Wondering on cam specs how to move my powerband up a little higher than the big cube motors. Most of the 370 to 408 crowd seem to peak @ or around 5800 to 6000 rpms. I would like to extend my rpm range into the 6500 area on small cubes. Give me some insight into why you would or would not turn 6500 ish...
#13
Look at thecompressor map with 355ci and see where you are at 6000rpm versus 6500rpm. If the efficiency is worse @ 6500 then 6000rpm, then maybe having 6000rpm peak power is best, and just let the turbo make the power... not rpms. Look it up on forcedinductions.com and let us know.
#14
Well, looking at some compressor maps I can see where a 76mm will have me maxing it out at around 6100/6200 on a 355 CI at 20 psi. Remember this is still somewhat a guess because the maps don't take into account all the other little things. It just give you a ballpark, actually to get myself to the target rpm of 6500 to 6800 the 88mm would be a better choice. I'm wondering if the new GT-M 76mm TurboNetics will push the efficiency curve out a little bit to allow me to hit the target rpm of 6500. Does anybody know where a compressor map is for this new turbo ? I'm betting there are no maps because it is not suppose to be out till Jan. 07. The turbo should be nasty from the info I've read, 1200+ hp (flywheel) from a 76mm I would also like to get a compressor map for the S78 and S85 turbo's.
#15
Yes the compressor maps shows they will support 1,200fwhp for a 76mm but has anybody made close to that with a 350 + cubic inch I havent seen any. The exhuast is what would be limiting you not the compressort. If you really want 750rwhp + look for a bigger turbo, The best thing to do would be call up forcedinduction