going boosted for the first time. piston and ring ideas?
#31
Re: going boosted for the first time. piston and ring ideas?
I agree with the above. Listen to the guys that have done this and take internet experts with a grain of salt.
If I had one recommendation it would be to not go into debt for this project. Use debt for education, a house, etc. Not something you will be tinkering with and sometimes fighting with all the while shelling xxx$/month on.
If I were you I'd use what you have.
Stock crank. Buy Scat H beams 432$ . Buy pistons. The JEs are 684$ from the above site and will be about 9.5-1 with stock CC heads. Not sure what CC you have. The Icon pistons will be ~9.75-1 and cost 470$.
For the fuel system you can do a double pumper or just add an inline pump 130$ if you want to save money. 80# injector 400$ from Racetronix.
Ebay intercooler kit probably 250$. Meth kit 680$ from Alkycontrol. A wideband is highly recommended and tuning software/laptop.
Go with whatever ring package come with the pistons. Hellfire rings are probably overkill. Pulley the blower to max out just before the peak RPM of your cam. Boost will come in faster and harder.
So Scat/JE/Walbro inline pump/injectors/intercooler/meth you are at $2575 no tax. shipping or labour or if you can find better prices then my quick internet searches.
Good luck.
If I had one recommendation it would be to not go into debt for this project. Use debt for education, a house, etc. Not something you will be tinkering with and sometimes fighting with all the while shelling xxx$/month on.
If I were you I'd use what you have.
Stock crank. Buy Scat H beams 432$ . Buy pistons. The JEs are 684$ from the above site and will be about 9.5-1 with stock CC heads. Not sure what CC you have. The Icon pistons will be ~9.75-1 and cost 470$.
For the fuel system you can do a double pumper or just add an inline pump 130$ if you want to save money. 80# injector 400$ from Racetronix.
Ebay intercooler kit probably 250$. Meth kit 680$ from Alkycontrol. A wideband is highly recommended and tuning software/laptop.
Go with whatever ring package come with the pistons. Hellfire rings are probably overkill. Pulley the blower to max out just before the peak RPM of your cam. Boost will come in faster and harder.
So Scat/JE/Walbro inline pump/injectors/intercooler/meth you are at $2575 no tax. shipping or labour or if you can find better prices then my quick internet searches.
Good luck.
I will have 80 lbs siemens for sale in about a week or so...just ordered 115's so i wont need em. 60's would fit your build, dual pumps or inline as suggested would be "best" but not absolutely necessary. hot wired or boost a pump type single walbro may feed it. Should feed 500whp no problem but the 600 level would be pushing it. Need to keep pressure low to have a shot as walbro 255's output and any pump for that matter goes down with high pressure. Single 340lph drop in should also do well and support that power. 500-600whp is a lot of power in a car, so with your bottom end, keep rpms lower and you will have a good running car on a budget. 500whp in good chassis is a mid 10 second car
Also find out the duration and lift numbers on that cam...you really dont need to go to big here and dont want to be revving super high with stock crank and those hp levels. Dont think it will be a problem but its safer to keep it lower rpm wise. Less stresses on things. Simple 220's deg duration with about 10-12 deg split for the blower is about what i'd run. cc305 cam is like that.
Again 500-600 doesnt take much to get to with good heads/intake and some boost.
Also find out the duration and lift numbers on that cam...you really dont need to go to big here and dont want to be revving super high with stock crank and those hp levels. Dont think it will be a problem but its safer to keep it lower rpm wise. Less stresses on things. Simple 220's deg duration with about 10-12 deg split for the blower is about what i'd run. cc305 cam is like that.
Again 500-600 doesnt take much to get to with good heads/intake and some boost.
whats in my motor now- cc304 210 / 220, .500 / .510 114 LSA.
the one i have here in the box is 218/230 .528/.544 [1.6] 114LSA 110ICL
#33
Re: going boosted for the first time. piston and ring ideas?
Heads were hand ported by james antonette in franklin square
190's 65cc's as per his build sheet
He has the stock gm head gaskets AI sends you in there valve train kit. He also has 1.6's and 987 CC springs.
When I had this heads cam intake setup on my 383 it had fel pro hp 1074 head gaskets and my compression was 11.9 to 1
Just putting it out there for some further advice
Andrew can't wait to see this thing move
190's 65cc's as per his build sheet
He has the stock gm head gaskets AI sends you in there valve train kit. He also has 1.6's and 987 CC springs.
When I had this heads cam intake setup on my 383 it had fel pro hp 1074 head gaskets and my compression was 11.9 to 1
Just putting it out there for some further advice
Andrew can't wait to see this thing move
#34
Re: going boosted for the first time. piston and ring ideas?
Heads were hand ported by james antonette in franklin square
190's 65cc's as per his build sheet
He has the stock gm head gaskets AI sends you in there valve train kit. He also has 1.6's and 987 CC springs.
When I had this heads cam intake setup on my 383 it had fel pro hp 1074 head gaskets and my compression was 11.9 to 1
Just putting it out there for some further advice
Andrew can't wait to see this thing move
190's 65cc's as per his build sheet
He has the stock gm head gaskets AI sends you in there valve train kit. He also has 1.6's and 987 CC springs.
When I had this heads cam intake setup on my 383 it had fel pro hp 1074 head gaskets and my compression was 11.9 to 1
Just putting it out there for some further advice
Andrew can't wait to see this thing move
#35
Re: going boosted for the first time. piston and ring ideas?
Yeah either of those cams should work but I like the one with 218deg duration a bit more. Just gotta see if the 987 springs will handle it under boost
#36
Re: going boosted for the first time. piston and ring ideas?
The 987s will work fine. I like the 218 cam as well. I ran the 987s for 7 years with a 220-230 .544 cam. Mo problems. I bet you will peak around 6000-6100 with that cam so pulley to max out the blower a little under.
The aftercooler is kind of like Vortech's version of a air to water cooler. Will work fine for you but they are complicated and sit on top of your valve cover making work on your car even tighter. But you have it so use it. They cost a fortune. If you could find some one to buy it, you could turn around and do the front mount intercooler and make a few bucks on the deal.
You can use the head info above and a compression ratio calculator to pick your piston. Not sure of the specs of the GM head gasket but those JE's with a -22 dish will make your compression ratio too low with 65cc heads.
The aftercooler is kind of like Vortech's version of a air to water cooler. Will work fine for you but they are complicated and sit on top of your valve cover making work on your car even tighter. But you have it so use it. They cost a fortune. If you could find some one to buy it, you could turn around and do the front mount intercooler and make a few bucks on the deal.
You can use the head info above and a compression ratio calculator to pick your piston. Not sure of the specs of the GM head gasket but those JE's with a -22 dish will make your compression ratio too low with 65cc heads.
#37
Re: going boosted for the first time. piston and ring ideas?
Im running a single, in tank walbro 255lph. the cam I have Is a cc lt1 extreme blower cam or somethin like that lol. my heads wer off my buddys 383. There stock heads but a machine shop overhauled them. Idk exactly whats done to them machining wise but I was told there just about as good as the trickflows summit sells. As for power adder, vortech t trim. I want the power to last a long time but the whole problem with building it to last is.... I dont have the time with work and all, so id have to pay a place to do it. And between parts and labor... I dont have the money flowing good enuf for that yet. So... Here are the options I have come to... Take out a loan first lol, I buy pistons, rings and rods for my 355 (stock crank), or buy a shortblock already set up for boost, or buy my friends shortblock. Both 383's and forged. If I get for boost I can drop it in no problem. but there a pending sale on it already. If I get my friends, id have to sit on it till christmas and buy different pistons..... What u guys think is best option
the t-trim is a great little unit. we went high 9's with one. do your self a favor and have a custom 4" inlet pipe made and put a big *** k&n on it. also if your street driving i would go with a big air to air cooler. air to water work great at the track but they are not as good on the street. also don't waste your money on a top wheel any smaller than 2.75" we have tried them all down to 2.5" and didn't do anything but kill belts. we ended up have asp make a custom lower pulley so we could run a 2.95 wheel.
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#39
Re: going boosted for the first time. piston and ring ideas?
It's simply a thicker/stronger/oversized hub (2.25" O.D., stock I.D.) that you can get for the LT1, which is a good idea for supercharged applications due to the excessive loads placed on the crank hub & crank snout. Also allows you to drill for 6 bolts instead of 3 for the crank supercharger pulley, albeit not totally necessary.
Requires one of ATI's balancers, as well as machining of the timing cover to accept a larger-diameter crank seal, and machining of the aluminum crank pulley spacer that comes with the Procharger kits in order to attain proper supercharger pulley alignment (as the hub shifts everything forward). Not sure how this applies to Vortech kits -- correcting pulley alignment on a Vortech may prove more difficult if their parts are arranged differently. I had to shave 0.290" off of the engine-side of my Procharger crank spacer -- others have removed slightly different amounts. Just have to measure with a machinist's straight edge.
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Requires one of ATI's balancers, as well as machining of the timing cover to accept a larger-diameter crank seal, and machining of the aluminum crank pulley spacer that comes with the Procharger kits in order to attain proper supercharger pulley alignment (as the hub shifts everything forward). Not sure how this applies to Vortech kits -- correcting pulley alignment on a Vortech may prove more difficult if their parts are arranged differently. I had to shave 0.290" off of the engine-side of my Procharger crank spacer -- others have removed slightly different amounts. Just have to measure with a machinist's straight edge.
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#41
Re: going boosted for the first time. piston and ring ideas?
ok changed plans a lil bit. im buyin my friends fully forged 383 stroker shortblock for a killer price. i rather that so i wouldnt have to worry about any issues down the road and ill get a lil more power. im gona be buying some parts throughout the week. ill keep u guys updated as i buy. thank you everyone for the info and advice
#42
Re: going boosted for the first time. piston and ring ideas?
trying to pick out pistons and im using the compression calculator buttt... idk how to find deck hight... heres what i know.
bore: 4.030
rod length: 6.0
stroke: 3.75
head gasket bore: 4.1
gasket thickness: .040
heads: 63cc
how do i find the deck height with w.e pistons. i want somewhere around 9.*:1 compression. hellppp
bore: 4.030
rod length: 6.0
stroke: 3.75
head gasket bore: 4.1
gasket thickness: .040
heads: 63cc
how do i find the deck height with w.e pistons. i want somewhere around 9.*:1 compression. hellppp
#43
Re: going boosted for the first time. piston and ring ideas?
If you have a piston with a known or measured compression height that you could mock up with bearings, crank, & rod, you could then measure it. Unless your engine is blueprinted, you might have to check more than one cylinder, though, cause they might not all be the same.
#44
Re: going boosted for the first time. piston and ring ideas?
If you have a piston with a known or measured compression height that you could mock up with bearings, crank, & rod, you could then measure it. Unless your engine is blueprinted, you might have to check more than one cylinder, though, cause they might not all be the same.
#45
Re: going boosted for the first time. piston and ring ideas?
So you got the forged 383 shortblock? What pistons did it come with? Is there a part number you can check to find the compression height of the piston? Then measure the engine deck to piston at TDC to see how far down or out the hole the piston is.
Hopefully its within .005" or so, I dont like pistons to far in the hole. Have to use a thinner gasket and I like a good thick gasket for boosted motors. MLS stuff is nice but both surfaces have to be machined smooth
Hopefully its within .005" or so, I dont like pistons to far in the hole. Have to use a thinner gasket and I like a good thick gasket for boosted motors. MLS stuff is nice but both surfaces have to be machined smooth