Street set-up. I dont want to rev it to the moon to make power. I would be much happier with shifting sooner then later.

 

Yes, and he can also put holes in the chambers

That or look what happened with Jay Rich's LE heads. they cracked and caused a lot of issues.

 

and how many cc's does he take out to get good #'s? why mess with a CNC port?

 

I have some ported AFR's from LE, started out as 195's and they are 216 now. Flow a lot of air, but if I could do it again I would throw on a 235 runner RHS head (setup for reversed cooled) and my single plane would bolt right up.

Spin the blower hard, and have a good inlet, she'll make plenty of power

 

213cc on the old 210cc AFR's. I am not sure on the new eliminator castings. It's not a cnc port when you buy them as cast...

 

Not sure what issues you are talking about. I have had quite a few sets of heads thru him without issue (3 sets). Does jay think his heads cracked because of Lloyd's work?

 

I havent personally had a set done by lloyd, however, i did see a set of heads that had just been done by him, and after you kinda "poked" the intake chamber, a sudden pinky-sized hole appeared.

Also seen a couple of sets of heads that were ported by him crack or have similar holes. Just too much of a "coincidence" for me to send heads to him.

That being said, I havent used AI in about year and a half, so i'm not saying go to them either. Just saying I have seen a couple issues w/ lloyds heads.

I have seen people have great results with no problems though.

 

When you say intake chamber, do you mean the runner/port?

 

I don't think Lloyd can get the low lift (under the curve) numbers that Tony Mamo gets out of his AFR Eliminator CNC heads.

 

actually, im trying to remember exactly where it was. I'm pretty sure it was in the runner/port, but i was almost thinking it was in the actual CC.

 

If it was in the port, then it isn't a big deal. Lots of guys end up getting that hole from aggressive porting on stock castings. If they are the same holes I am thinking of, then it is the bottom of the rocker stud holes that are breaking into the port. You just use loctite or thread sealant on the bottom of the stud and you are fine.

 

Maybe not, especially at a mass production level. However, lots of the very fast guys usually run heads that are hand ported, or they started CNC'd and the finish port work is done by hand.

 

true, and alot of the fast guys have HUGE money into there setups (cylinder heads).

stephen is a guy on a budget.

so you guys think the 195 street's will work for him?

 

I think either of the two he listed would work great for him to be honest.

 

I'm going with the 210s.
Thanks for everyones help