Help me pick a cam
#1
Help me pick a cam
I talked to Comp today and got these recomendations, What do you think?
First, my old combo:
383 gen1 sbc 8.0 comp.
Forged internals
23 deg TFS 195 heads- no work done
Comp XE 224/236 "high lift" with 116* lsa
1.52 roller rockers
1.75" headers, 3" dual ex. system
Motown Single plane intake-converted to efi
Big injectors, fuel sys etc.
Procharger, D1SC (19psi) with air to water intercooler.
New combo is the same exept:
8.7 compression
220-230cc alum heads cnc ported over 300 cfm past .600 lift (looking at several brands)
Vortech Ysi (more boost)
This is a street/strip car, not a daily driver, but I don't own a trailer either!
Car has a th400, 3500 stall, 9" 3.70 gear and 28" tire
Comp suggested the following cams, What do you guys think?
Hyd roller-CS3318/3319HR114+4
248/254 dur @ .050" lift
.600/.619 lift w/1.6 rocker
ground with a 114* LSA
OR
Solid roller-CS4368/4373SR114
248/258 dur @ .050 lift
.633/.633 lift w/1.6 rocker
ground wth a 114* LSA
Thanks, Steve
First, my old combo:
383 gen1 sbc 8.0 comp.
Forged internals
23 deg TFS 195 heads- no work done
Comp XE 224/236 "high lift" with 116* lsa
1.52 roller rockers
1.75" headers, 3" dual ex. system
Motown Single plane intake-converted to efi
Big injectors, fuel sys etc.
Procharger, D1SC (19psi) with air to water intercooler.
New combo is the same exept:
8.7 compression
220-230cc alum heads cnc ported over 300 cfm past .600 lift (looking at several brands)
Vortech Ysi (more boost)
This is a street/strip car, not a daily driver, but I don't own a trailer either!
Car has a th400, 3500 stall, 9" 3.70 gear and 28" tire
Comp suggested the following cams, What do you guys think?
Hyd roller-CS3318/3319HR114+4
248/254 dur @ .050" lift
.600/.619 lift w/1.6 rocker
ground with a 114* LSA
OR
Solid roller-CS4368/4373SR114
248/258 dur @ .050 lift
.633/.633 lift w/1.6 rocker
ground wth a 114* LSA
Thanks, Steve
#2
Solid roller-CS4368/4373SR114
248/258 dur @ .050 lift
.633/.633 lift w/1.6 rocker
ground wth a 114* LSA
Thanks, Steve
i chose this cam cause i like solids and i did not like the
hydr roller w/114+4 my friend has a similar cam with a ys trim vortec and it sux
he will be changing it soon..
248/258 dur @ .050 lift
.633/.633 lift w/1.6 rocker
ground wth a 114* LSA
Thanks, Steve
i chose this cam cause i like solids and i did not like the
hydr roller w/114+4 my friend has a similar cam with a ys trim vortec and it sux
he will be changing it soon..
#4
I wouldnt do a solid lifter set up on street car. As much improved as solids are, they still have a pretty high failure rate on street driven cars where they see alot of low RPM time ( Normal Street Driving )
That said, I think both of them cams are kind of HUGE for anything that is driven on the street. Talk to a custom cam grinder.
That said, I think both of them cams are kind of HUGE for anything that is driven on the street. Talk to a custom cam grinder.
#6
Do you want a HR or a SR? Talking to Comp for advice on a cam for a blower car is not a very useful exercise. I am unconvinced about solid rollers for the street and would advise sticking with an HR cam. I don't think either cam has enough split between the intake and exahust. Your current cam is good, I believe I was the person who popularized it, at least on this board. But it is small for a setup that looks heavily like a strip car. It will make peak power about 6,200rpm. You need about 15 degrees or so more intake duration and at least 12-15 degrees more than that on the exhaust side than your current cam.
Rich
Rich
#7
I'm just wondering if I can find a spring that can control a bigger HR, where it wants to reach it "potential" (under boost). My current springs (comp 914's) measured closer to 190lb seat, than the advertised 165lb. I talked to a "renegade" racer who says they do it two ways-collapse the lifter, or run well over 200lb seat pressure.
How about a 242/254 @.050, 114lsa HR?
I do like the idea of "no" maint. vs. periodic lashing, not to mention the issues with low speed oiling, extra heat and extreme pressures related to a SR.
The problem I am having is, I'm no expert (like most), so I have to rely on cam manufacturers who ALL differ in their approach to cam timing.
Any thoughts?
How about a 242/254 @.050, 114lsa HR?
I do like the idea of "no" maint. vs. periodic lashing, not to mention the issues with low speed oiling, extra heat and extreme pressures related to a SR.
The problem I am having is, I'm no expert (like most), so I have to rely on cam manufacturers who ALL differ in their approach to cam timing.
Any thoughts?
#8
I'm just wondering if I can find a spring that can control a bigger HR, where it wants to reach it "potential" (under boost). My current springs (comp 914's) measured closer to 190lb seat, than the advertised 165lb. I talked to a "renegade" racer who says they do it two ways-collapse the lifter, or run well over 200lb seat pressure.
How about a 242/254 @.050, 114lsa HR?
I do like the idea of "no" maint. vs. periodic lashing, not to mention the issues with low speed oiling, extra heat and extreme pressures related to a SR.
The problem I am having is, I'm no expert (like most), so I have to rely on cam manufacturers who ALL differ in their approach to cam timing.
Any thoughts?
How about a 242/254 @.050, 114lsa HR?
I do like the idea of "no" maint. vs. periodic lashing, not to mention the issues with low speed oiling, extra heat and extreme pressures related to a SR.
The problem I am having is, I'm no expert (like most), so I have to rely on cam manufacturers who ALL differ in their approach to cam timing.
Any thoughts?
Rich
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#11
How much is it going to be driven on the street ? If its primarily a street car, I'd go smaller than Rich said. If its more of a strip car than street, id go with something along the lines of what he is suggesting.
#12
Thanks for the replies.
For now I think I'm going to stay with my TFS heads, and just go with a larger HR cam along with the YSi I ordered today. This will be much easier (cheaper), as I can re-use my existing parts.
Thanks again, Steve
For now I think I'm going to stay with my TFS heads, and just go with a larger HR cam along with the YSi I ordered today. This will be much easier (cheaper), as I can re-use my existing parts.
Thanks again, Steve
#14
I placed an order with Cam Motion today. I am very impessed with them. I don't know if this is going to be the "best" cam possible, but at least he told me theories behind his decision, and they made sense.
Here are the specs: 296/301 adv. dur., 241/246 dur. @ .050, .565/.562 lift w/1.52 rocker ground with a 114* lsa.
He chose the lsa, and short duration split, based on my intercooler and full exhaust system.
Thanks, Steve
Here are the specs: 296/301 adv. dur., 241/246 dur. @ .050, .565/.562 lift w/1.52 rocker ground with a 114* lsa.
He chose the lsa, and short duration split, based on my intercooler and full exhaust system.
Thanks, Steve