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Old 12-08-2006 | 06:43 PM
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You will be leaning out your afr or adding timing into the ecu. If you tune your ecu for alky, you should run alky all the time, unless you reflash your ecu to a non-alky tune.
Exactly right - if you are correctly tuned for it, then you pretty much can't do without it unless you had a Smartspark or some other way of switching timing curves in and out, and that wouldn't really make up for the lean mixture unless you never tuned it that way to begin with.

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Having said that, you could probably use some sort of nitrous style timing retard box that could be hooked into the alky low circuit and retard timing when you run out of meth. But that is not going to be found in any kits that I am aware of.
I have a Snow flow switch that does this by sensing meth/h2o flow, but I had to reverse the logic to get it to ground the retard lead on the Crane Hi-6 box because it puts out a +12v if you blow a hose, pump failure, or run out of meth/h2o.
Old 12-10-2006 | 07:58 AM
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First off, thanks for all the great info guys! I just have a few other questions;

Where does the methanol inject into? Is it injected directly into the intake? If so, does that mean the entire intake has to come off to port a new hole? Is it possible it can go into the 90 degree elbow in front of the throttle body?

Also, is there a way I could hook up a sensor in the meth tank to sense when it is getting low? I would think this would be a good idea since it seems once my car is tuned on the mehtanol, it basically needs to ran through the system every time I go to WOT, and making boost.

I am gathering here that once the car is tuned on this, it will need to be ran every time regaurdless. Is this true? Or is there really any good failsafes out there in case I happen to run out or something and I still want to open up the throttle?
Old 12-10-2006 | 09:27 AM
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First off, thanks for all the great info guys! I just have a few other questions;

Where does the methanol inject into? Is it injected directly into the intake? If so, does that mean the entire intake has to come off to port a new hole? Is it possible it can go into the 90 degree elbow in front of the throttle body?
Before the throttle body. Closer is better.

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Also, is there a way I could hook up a sensor in the meth tank to sense when it is getting low? I would think this would be a good idea since it seems once my car is tuned on the mehtanol, it basically needs to ran through the system every time I go to WOT, and making boost.
Yes, there are low level sensors.

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I am gathering here that once the car is tuned on this, it will need to be ran every time regaurdless. Is this true? Or is there really any good failsafes out there in case I happen to run out or something and I still want to open up the throttle?
You can get level, pressure, and flow sensors which you can use. You won't use that much unless you are running around in boost all the time.
Old 12-10-2006 | 09:54 AM
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Who out there company wise offers the low level sensors?

Also, could anyone out there please post any pics of the system in their car? I have seen pics online, but none I can find of systems on F-bodies.
Old 12-11-2006 | 01:59 PM
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What is the best mixture of methanol and water? I have heard 50%. Does it come pre-mixed? Or do you mix the methanol with distilled water yourself?
Old 12-11-2006 | 02:14 PM
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I wouldnt put the Meth nozzle near the TB because the IAT sensor wont read the drop in temps (for monitoring). I would back it up toward the maf a little (obviously not close to the MAF)... this way the IAT will see the drop in temp.
Old 12-11-2006 | 04:29 PM
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I wouldnt put the Meth nozzle near the TB because the IAT sensor wont read the drop in temps (for monitoring). I would back it up toward the maf a little (obviously not close to the MAF)... this way the IAT will see the drop in temp.
Will the meth damage the IAT sensor by spraying past it? If so, couldn't I just relocate the IAT sensor more forward near the MAF?

Sorry about all the questions. Like I said before I am new to the whole methanol injection stuff and want to learn a lot here.
Old 12-11-2006 | 05:49 PM
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i like the alky kits myself but the meth is almost justa s good and ford sells concentrated washer solvent to make it the % you want. i have run both but most of the vehicles still have the stock washer tanks. i like that because the light will come on when it runs low. you can also use the snow tank and install your old sensor where you want to make the light come on sooner

as far as the snow kit being to cheap. i have installed them on $75,000 dollar vehicles and have had no problems whatsoever. i have to make someof these idiot proof and warning lights help alot. most people that have problems are clogging up the nozzles in the system from running cheap washer solvent. i recommend ford concentrate that has no dye and will never clog. most vehicles will last 2 years before htey clog with regular. takes 10 minutes to clean.

the snow kit has adjustable nozzles that you change depending on your engine. the tech line at snow actually gets you to a real person in decent time if you have problem. if you wanted bang for your buck with low maintenance and available parts snow is the way. for more money you can go with alky and get the same results. it is a personal preference. i would check out both websites and call to see if you can get your questions answered
Old 12-11-2006 | 05:54 PM
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i put the nozzle in the elbow right before the tb to split between the throttle blades. i run a 50% mixture because it is easy for my customers to remember. i like 75% for high dyno numbers. i don't know if it will harm the iat. i have never tried it. most of the time i move the iat away from the engine farther.
any one else had a problem?
Old 12-11-2006 | 06:10 PM
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So whats better here; to run the meth prior to the IAT sensor? Or after? If the meth could damage the sensor I could see pros and cons to both.
Old 12-11-2006 | 06:32 PM
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I have seen many kits running pure meth and have yet to see an IAT damaged. Meth is very corrosive stuff so I wouldn't be suprised if it eventually hurts it but so far so good a couple years now. Jeff
Old 12-12-2006 | 11:08 AM
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iats are cheap
Old 12-14-2006 | 02:45 PM
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Thanks for the good info. Anyone else have any general info on Meth injection?
Old 12-14-2006 | 03:17 PM
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so you like that borla exhaust?
Old 12-14-2006 | 11:55 PM
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About the power gains....

With the meth, i was able to go from 10psi w/ 12º timing, to 17psi w/ 22º timing. The increase in boost combined with the timing netted me just over 100rwhp. Now going through the process of going to a larger turbo, the thought has crossed my mind of removing my FMIC, and going to only to the meth.

I'm using the Snow Performance kit and love the hell out of it.


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