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Old 12-15-2006 | 06:23 AM
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I again want to point out that the proper injection fluid is a methanol/water mixture, not straight methanol.

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Old 12-15-2006 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Teufel Hunden
I'm using the Snow Performance kit and love the hell out of it.
Got any pics of your setup both under the hood, and in the car(controller pics)?

MyNameIsMud; your question is quite abstract from my Methanol questions, but "YES" I do like my Borla.

Rich; As always, thanks for the input. I am aware that the Methanol should be mixed with water. Do you think the best mix is 50%-50%?
Old 12-15-2006 | 12:11 PM
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I am aware that the Methanol should be mixed with water. Do you think the best mix is 50%-50%?

Thats a matter of opinion. Rich may have had best results for his combo with a mix, but many FI mustangs, GNs, and fbodies run best results on straight meth. Try out whats best for you.
Old 12-15-2006 | 12:25 PM
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I have dyno tests to back up my opinion. A mixture in the 1:1-3:2 water:methanol works best. 1:1 is easy to mix and remember, 3:2 saves a few $$ on methanol. Someday I will do some tests with straight water. Haven't gotten around to it.

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Old 12-15-2006 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rskrause
I have dyno tests to back up my opinion. A mixture in the 1:1-3:2 water:methanol works best. 1:1 is easy to mix and remember, 3:2 saves a few $$ on methanol. Someday I will do some tests with straight water. Haven't gotten around to it.

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Nobody is questioning your opinion, but like I stated many people have dyno test experience and they all seem to differ. Thats wy the poster needs to see for himself and his combo.
Old 12-15-2006 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CALL911
Got any pics of your setup both under the hood, and in the car(controller pics)?
Mine is a V6 car, so there's some differences, but in the next few days i can get some pics for you if you'd still like to see them.
Old 12-15-2006 | 02:11 PM
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I'll propaply just stick with Rich's idea of the 50 50. I have heard of several people mixing that amount of each, and what's popular and successful can't be wrong.

BTW, thanks in advance for the pix. Even if yours is a V6 car, I'm still anxious to see the setup both under the hood and in the car (with the controller).
Old 12-15-2006 | 06:10 PM
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The methanol doesn't suppress detonation, that's what the water does. So, primarily you are injecting water to suppress detonation and bump your timing and adding some extra fuel at the same time with the meth. Now you can blow a lot of extra fuel in there with the meth and make some good numbers, but the water is a key point of the whole exercise, otherwise you are just squirting more fuel in there. Not saying 50/50 is the perfect mix for every car, but I did a lot of research on this in the past couple years and I agree with Rich who knows what the hell he's talking about. I would rather have 100% water than 100% meth in a blown non-intercooled car.

I was going to post a bunch of pics, but just realized I can't do attachments. That blows!

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Old 12-15-2006 | 08:44 PM
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Old 12-16-2006 | 02:52 PM
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Or you can just go to www.tinypic.com , upload the pic, and copy the [IMG] straight to the reply.
Old 12-17-2006 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mgray

911, does MSII offer anything along these lines? I seem to remember reading about an option for staged injection, though this was a time ago.
I'm not sure. However this is a great point, and question. One that I would be very interested in finding out.
Old 12-17-2006 | 04:06 PM
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Problem is that the meth would ruin a fuel injector. This was discussed a on some of the water injection forums. Doesn't mean it couldn't be developed, though.
Old 12-21-2006 | 03:05 PM
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So, new qustion; will brass eventually corrode from the mehtanol use?
Old 12-21-2006 | 09:58 PM
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Go to www.corvetteforum.com and type the word "meth" "alky""methanol" in their search engine. See what they are doing in about an hour it will sink in.

I disagree with Rich, rskrause, on the 50/50 stuff. Companies like MTI, ECS, Andy's, Vette Doctors, Carolina Automasters, Alternative Auto, Synergy, AMS,... I can keep this going.. use straight alcohol on any serious car. If your motor with blower makes 400 to the wheels.. then it doesnt matter.

Here's some reading,
www.alternativeauto.com

If you treat your setup like you would a fuel system, it will perform predictably. To the thread poster.. search the other GM sites.. see what those making power are using. The problem is the net is full of information.. mostly from those reading adds from websites. These car boards offer a better look at who's doing what and how.

The technology is in the pump and its ability to stay together. The rest is basic common sense when dealing with a corrossive liquid.

Typically the 4th gen uses the WW tank for storage. Unless twin turbo'd, have a huge FM, or some other reason the tank would be displaced.
Old 12-21-2006 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Julio
Go to www.corvetteforum.com and type the word "meth" "alky""methanol" in their search engine. See what they are doing in about an hour it will sink in.

I disagree with Rich, rskrause, on the 50/50 stuff. Companies like MTI, ECS, Andy's, Vette Doctors, Carolina Automasters, Alternative Auto, Synergy, AMS,... I can keep this going.. use straight alcohol on any serious car. If your motor with blower makes 400 to the wheels.. then it doesnt matter.

Here's some reading,
www.alternativeauto.com

If you treat your setup like you would a fuel system, it will perform predictably. To the thread poster.. search the other GM sites.. see what those making power are using. The problem is the net is full of information.. mostly from those reading adds from websites. These car boards offer a better look at who's doing what and how.

The technology is in the pump and its ability to stay together. The rest is basic common sense when dealing with a corrossive liquid.

Typically the 4th gen uses the WW tank for storage. Unless twin turbo'd, have a huge FM, or some other reason the tank would be displaced.



100% Alky here......dual spray this coming new year.... thanks Julio


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