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Old 01-15-2009 | 07:14 PM
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... Stiffer bores are going to make more power as there is less deflection under load and better cylinder sealing. D. Vizard seems to think as well ...
We dyno'd a ~640 hp NA SBC with an OEM 400 block, then a Dart Little M. It gained about 6 hp, but 30+ ft-lb torque.

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Old 01-15-2009 | 07:30 PM
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Would a street fill benifit the main area to any significance? 2-bolt, 4-bolt straight, 4-bolt splayed?

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Old 01-15-2009 | 07:31 PM
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Would a street fill benifit the main area to any significance? 2-bolt, 4-bolt straight, 4-bolt splayed?

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The problem with the mains is cap-walk. No amount of filling will stop that.
Old 01-15-2009 | 07:39 PM
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Mike,

I'm kinda having a hard time visualizing mains walking. With 2-bolt studs I'm assuming you've got the clamp load. Splayed mains tie you into block better. What about straight 4-bolt?

Are we talking twisting in the crank?

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Old 01-15-2009 | 08:00 PM
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Mike,

I'm kinda having a hard time visualizing mains walking. With 2-bolt studs I'm assuming you've got the clamp load. Splayed mains tie you into block better. What about straight 4-bolt?

Are we talking twisting in the crank?

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No, not twisting the crank. The main caps slide (on a microscopic level) around on the block. This causes fretting damage at the interface. It means the main bolts aren't doing a good job of making the main cap stay still. 4 bolts means double the clamping force, roughly. I'm not convinced that splayed mains help with this since there is already a register-fit to prevent horizontal motion, but I am seeing some fretting damage with my 4 bolt straight steel caps.

There are pictures of fretting damage on turbomustangs.com. Do a search for "grenade", a 2-bolt main stock bottom-end 700 rwhp freak.

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Old 01-15-2009 | 08:38 PM
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Haven't checked the link yet, but thanks. So there are lateral loads (cross-car) causing the mains to walk. I can see how a 4-bolt straight main helps in this regard.....more friction.

Now 'splayed' with outer bolts angled outward...You've got the cross-car component partially taken by the tensile load of the outward angled fasteners.

Am I close?

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Old 01-16-2009 | 06:44 PM
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Scott, the main cap has a register fit that prevents side-to-side motion. I've heard of pinning the mains to prevent axial motion also. I believe this would be more affective than splaying the outer bolts.
Old 01-17-2009 | 09:36 PM
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Mike I have heard you talking about that 700rwhp mustang before with 2 bolt mains. How many Rpm's is he turning?
Old 01-17-2009 | 09:38 PM
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Mike I have heard you talking about that 700rwhp mustang before with 2 bolt mains. How many Rpm's is he turning?
It's a TPI 350. I don't know for sure, but with the stock TPI runners, stock cam, and stock T3 S60 turbo's, my bet is very low rpm.
Old 01-19-2009 | 11:12 AM
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Here's the ultimate LT1 block...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GENER...1%7C240%3A1318

One of 10!
Old 01-19-2009 | 12:51 PM
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Damn!!! I would love to have that engine block. Thats worth more than the entire car that you would put it in.
Old 01-19-2009 | 06:28 PM
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I'd like to learn more about using dowel pins in the stock mains as Mike suggests. Does anyone know somebody with experience with this?

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Scott.
Old 01-19-2009 | 06:42 PM
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I'd like to learn more about using dowel pins in the stock mains as Mike suggests. Does anyone know somebody with experience with this?

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Scott.
I got that from a local engine builder, but a google search turned up that World blocks are doweled, as are LSx blocks and some old Pontiac blocks.
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