Easy bro...my point was that, with issues, my otherwise stock LS1 is trapping 116. The fact that another stock LS1 with this kit trapping 102 is not normal. It would be nice if you would ask for clarification before jumping on someone's case.

Besides, I think it's gotten to the point where no matter what an STS kit does performance wise, the haters will continue to hate, and the supporters will continue to support. What a lot of people fail to mention is that other types of setups have years and years of trial and error before they started to produce solid results. The STS kit is still relatively new, and it takes time for people to figure this stuff out. It doesn't happen over night. Time will tell.

 

Where do you figure this is the only one I've seen. Might want to read my first post again....I have ridden in and driven a few STS cars.

I've also worked on the Safety Crew at the local track and at National events with Safety Safari since 99 so I've seen just about every STS car that has hit the track here in Utah as well as having raced a few of them myself. And being Utah is the home of STS, we get quite a few at the track.

You're right....common sense goes a long way might want to read everything someone has to say but if the last post was the only post of mine you read in this thread, you'll base your opinions on it....that's fine for you.

His car isn't the first STS car I've seen run 14's here nor, I think, will it be the last.

 

Stock LS1's won't break 100mph at our altitude. Usually around 96-98.

It has also gotten to the point that no matter how many instances of STS not performing up to their dyno's you'll have the swingers continue to swing.

As I said before, there are a few GTO's out there running great numbers as well as some trucks but I have yet to see an even marginal percentage of the STS Fbody's run near what they should considering the dyno numbers.

It's a great kit for the beginning enthusiast and for those who are willing to put quite a bit of money into their setups to have an "outside the box" idea perform well.

To each his own...I won't hate on people who use this kit. I just don't care for the kit.

 

Not sure why you care, but the car will hot lap 13.1s at 106-107 at sea level. Did that last year.

 

Because in every post about sts you ask what they run. I figure if your that crazy about track numbers, put yours in your sig...

 

If you've seen a lot of these cars at the track, what is the normal trap speeds and times that you are seeing? Instead of focusing on one instance where there was some obvious issues, what is the norm at your elevation?

 

I know what causes most of the STS cars to not perform correctly, a tune thats not optimal.

I've seen a gain of 3 mph at the track by simply getting the tune where it needed to be and it wasn't that far off to begin with! Most tuners just don't know what they are doing when it comes to a turbo car. They can be tricky beasts to get tuned correctly.

My personal car is a 2000 Camaro SS. 224/224/112 cam, slp LT's, ls6 intake, T67 p-trim .81 a/r housing, front mount intercooler, 255HP walbro, mototron 60's, SMC progressive alcohol kit. STOCK MOTOR

My car made 430 rwhp on 6.5 psi before I intercooled it. After the intercooler it now makes 510 on 10 psi. When I run it at the track I put 100 octane in it for safety and turn the boost up to 13-14 psi (only hits 10-12 psi in 1st - 3rd due to the wastegate spring being to weak, i need a stronger one). I would guess that at 13 psi my car is making around 550 rwhp SAE corrected. I say that because when I dyno'd 510 on 10 psi my uncorrected numbers were 460 rwhp.

I live in las vegas, our track is 2200' and our temps get outrageous. I'm not a very good driver when it comes to launching the car either. My best time is an 11.730 @ 124.76 [2.04 60'] on 13 psi in 90 degree temps. My best MPH run was an 11.8 @ 126.1 I have around 20 slips showing my car trapping 120-126 mph and about 10 more showing 117+ traps. I'm definately not good at launching and don't really care to be right now since my rear end is stock. My 2.0 60's are keeping it alive.

I feel I should also add that my car has absolutely nothing removed from it, I even have the front sway bar still on, it's not some race car. It's a 100% street car (well I am rolling around on 17" et streets now so thats one tiny compromise). I run 6 psi on low boost and 10 psi on high boost, 91 octane using water/alky. I can do 11 psi in cooler weather with no alky too but keep it for safety now. With our daytime temps 115 I can still run 10 psi and see ZERO knock!

A lot of power can be found in the tune and it's usually all area under the curve. My 510 dyno run before I had the tune all good showed me making 500 + rwhp from 5000 rpms to 6500 rpms!

I want to take my car to a sea level track on a good night just so I can say it trapped 130 mph on the stock motor with a turbo kit that makes cars run slower.

I personally feel that most of the slow times out of these kits are due to tunes that aren't optimal and people who really are not drag racers. I personally am not a hardcore drag racer and I just go for fun and to see how changes i've made affect the car. I care more about the MPH than the ET unlike most drag racers.

The 60' in a stick shift turbo car really affects it's MPH and ET drastically. When I was running 2.2 60's I was running 12.3-12.8 @ 120-122 mph. My last 3 passes I decided to do a short burn outs and then I started running 11.7-11.9 @ 123-124 MPH. The .2 drop in 60 foot was worth about .5 seconds in et and 2-4 mph. All these runs were on the same night, no changes to the car.

Not every STS car is slow.

 

So whats the excuse for the 3rd run. The one he gained 8.5mph to a whopping 102. I agree that there was something wrong because those track #s do not add up at all to a car that has 500+hp. Even if he spun off the line had a slow start missed a gear and was a poor driver it still should have ran better. The point im trying to get across is that for as many STS excuses ive heard some of these people can be getting out to the track and getting some decent runs.

 

I agree with you there, but that wasnt a stock LS1. It supposed to be a 530hp LS1.

So what did you mean by the "should be somewhere in the 120s" comment again. Just messin with ya, I know that theres a lot of small issues with FI cars. Ive lost almost 10mph at the track before just because my tune was a little off. Lucky for me nobody else off this board was there to see it and make fun of me.

 

Thats respectable, but you do realize now that every STS nutswinger is now going to be quoting your times.

 

Thats good and bad. Good because at least one will be recognized as having good performance (at least MPH wise). and bad because i'll be labded a freak car. I wish more of these guys would get out and run their cars. It seems like most people who buy this kit never go to the track. Hell, most guys I know love to quote dyno numbers and never run at the track. We have several built cars here in town that never seem to make it to the track Turbo cars, supercharged cars, stroker LS1's, heads cam cars, etc. No one takes them to the track.

 

See, what you are saying about the tune is very true. When I ran 12.2@116, I had no idea how off my tune was. A few weeks later my HP Tuners got here, and my wideband. I found out I was running about 9.5:1 afr at WOT!!! I pulled my cats out after I got the car dyno tuned, and the tune went to crap! So, hopefully, once I figure out this tuning thing, I'll be able to post some good times to look at.

 

When talking performance setups track times talk.
If I had a truck that I wanted to tow with... I'd get an STS in a heart beat. As for spending that much $$$ for a so called performance set up... no way. I'm VERY familiar with this set up AND how much $$$ it really takes to get one of these setup to run good. Spend the $$$ on a front mount set up... Someone mentioned the dyno curve earlier, excellent point as it's area under the curve not some bell shaped high peak that nets performance.
Steve...

 

Better be careful Steve, you might **** off some STS owners and they will want to kick your *** in a race down the 1/4... oh wait... ok... maybe just the one quick STS GTO will want to race you...

 

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