That isn't true about the intercooler, if you prefer one it can be fabricated, and you will see a pressure drop across it like any other intercooler. I guess its preference, but methanol has been working great for me. I see the point of buying all the parts off ebay and fabing a nice system, but that is time, and mechanical know how. The positive about this kit is that it installs, relatively speaking for a turbo system, with out a problem in a day. It does put down power. I haven't had any problems with the system, and has been on at least 6 months. I am planning a bottom end rebuild like any FI setup on an LT1 that wants to raise boost. I will have some more info, dynos videos, i have taken uploaded soon.

 

What do you mean? I'm confused

 

the only video i know of is lukes vid with 5psi i believe:

http://www.discountchips.net/2kss/vi...t1cutshort.mpg

 

Origionaly I said that it'd be nice to see an STS equipted car on a dyno to see for myself just how good these car's perform. The person who posted after me said that dyno's could be easily manipulated to show you whatever number's you wanted (I agree), to which I responed that some one should show us a video of a the car at the dragstrip instead. I'm pretty sure it would be harder to falsify the number's at an official dragstrip. 1/4 mile number's don't lie.

 

'I want this...'
'The proof is when...'
'I'll believe it when...'


The bottom line is that no matter what the guys at STS do some of you guys out there will continue to be ****** and never give these guys proper credit. You know what, they don't need your approval. They don't even need your money. Why? Because there are thousands of people out there that know horsepower when they see it, and they are willing to tolerate a little "out of the box" thinking.

A year ago people on this forum said that it wouldn't make ANY power. Then they said it would be laggy. Then they said it wouldn't make 'enough' power. You guys kill me.


BBB

 

So i guess we are back to square one about this kit.
I like the idea but I am still not convinced. I am not bashing the system but I would like to see more data etc...
I understand this is not a hardcore system but it could be a good alternate for a person who wants more power without the complexity of other types of systems

 

Well laggy it is....here are some dyno results from a LS1 car with a T67. Its as laggy as a Supra with the same turbo and half the cubes

Click here

Jose

 

Proof, proof, proof, proof. I'am with BBB. You guys remind me of a story that happened a couple of thousand years ago.

 

For what its worth, I think the STS kit is a pretty good value and is definatly worthy of a look for those not so mechanically inclined. It all comes down to what your end goals are...

That said, Jose I hope your still around in a year or two when I get the funds together for my turbo buildup as I plan on going with the PTK and a turbo big enough to make 650 - 700 rwhp, as I dont think the STS can get there without the meth injection and I dont want to run one.

 

right......because wanting NON-gtech track times is asking sooooooo much. no one cares about any of their gtech figures. discerning buyers want to see real track times and performance.

according to his own thread, the STS LS1 guy who dynod 445rwhp and 460rwtq has only run a 12.4 @ 116............something people are doing with MUCH less power. maybe he can improve on those times, but its still nothing to brag about.

dont get me wrong.....im NOT bashing the kit........i was hoping it would pump out amazing performance because id buy one myself.........it just still has to prove itself.

 

With all due respect, I don't think I'm a ***** by wanting to see some actual dyno number's or a video of a car performing on a track. This is the internet after all, where 99% of the people (especially on car forums) are full of **** 99% of the time. I'm not saying your one of those people, but just posting that a car made x amount of power without any kind of "proof" to back up your claim, you shoudn't be surprised when
some people raise the flag.

I said it before and I'll say it again, I'm genuinely interested in STS. The idea of being able to get such huge power gains with what is esentially a "bolt-on" set of parts is very appealing to me and many other's I'm sure. I've gotton into plenty of argument's on other forum's about this very subject. Everyone I've encountered so far have been very close-minded to say the least. My position has always been to give STS a chance. But even my patience is running thin. Month's have gone by since I first heard of STS and it seems like evey other week I read posts of STS equipted cars making such and such power but I NEVER see any actual dyno number's or car's running the 1/4.
I'm sure many other's feel the same as me when I say that if someone over at STS posted up a vid. of a rear-mounted turbo Fbody running 11's or whatever on a stock motor that would be all the "proof" we'd need to make the deciseion to go out and buy one. Hopefully someone will start posting some vid's soon or I might just end up buying a procharger.

Asking for proof does not make me a *****.
:blah:

 

In thinking about this proof issue, I can understand all conserns. If I were the owner of the business, I would have video's on the web site. Its part of the marketing thing. I don't know if the owner is a member of this web site, but if I were I'd give you all what you wanted. It doesn't seem like a lot if I wanted to see my business take off. My suggestion at this time would be to call and talk with STS. Ask them if they have these video's for the proof you need. Maybe if enough people called and asked, they would do something about it. My only question is that if this were the case and if he did have the video's on his web site, would you all believe it then. Hummmmm, I wonder if the Vortech company went through this.

 

wheres the lag???

 

Your kidding right.....just look at the 2 graphs below...the first is the LS1, 2nd is the Supra. A 346CI motor with a small T67, and peak torque is at 4200-4300....LOL, thats LAG for a big motor. Heck Rob at QMP with a T76 and log manifold spooled faster.... Then look at the other graph, its a 3.0L Supra with the same turbo and peak torque hits at 4300-4400. And the Supra's are known for lag......lol

 

it makes 300 rwhp at 3k, while the supra makes it at 3800rpm. it also makes 300rwtq at 3800rpm. as fast as ls1s rev up i dont see much turbo lag there. from a rolling start and downshift i dont see how youd get much lag.