T trim ?
Let's hear it. which one is gonna offer me the most for my money? And what does a D-1 even cost from ATI? Just thought I'd throw out some more ?'s for you all
05-31-2004 | 11:35 PM
#33
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I would go with the T-trim really...
The other thing is... the better the heads the easier you will make the power.. the less boost you will need, the less prone to detonation and the lower the octane needed to make the power.
The other thing is... the better the heads the easier you will make the power.. the less boost you will need, the less prone to detonation and the lower the octane needed to make the power.
06-01-2004 | 06:42 AM
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Whatever you do, DON'T call Comp, Cam Motion, Crane, or anyone and ask for THEIR recommendation. VERY FEW people making over 600 rwhp ask the cam makers for recommendations. The guys that recommend cams at the manufacturers are minimum wage workers that simply read the catalogs.
The Trick Flows can probably be made to work with proper porting. Heck, if LJ can pull 145+ mph in the quarter on ported LT1 castings, then Trick Flows can probably do it too. BUT. . . there are probably <5 head porters in the nation that I would consider. Mike Blackstone and Larry Meaux are both extremely good. I, personally, don't have any experience with Phil, but he may be good also.
Change the rod bolts in the Eagle H-beams to L19's or ARP 2000's.
I'd also like to recommend that you put together and sort out a T-trim 600 rwhp combination. You might be surprised about 2 things: 1) how fast a 600 rwhp car is and 2) how difficult it is to get everything working properly. In all likelihood, you'll give up on trying to make 1000 rwhp. Plus, the complication of a turbo kit makes things even more difficult.
Want to get an idea of what it takes to make 600 - 900 rwhp? Check this out:
http://para.noid.org/~lj/
Be sure to look at his fuel system.
Mike
The Trick Flows can probably be made to work with proper porting. Heck, if LJ can pull 145+ mph in the quarter on ported LT1 castings, then Trick Flows can probably do it too. BUT. . . there are probably <5 head porters in the nation that I would consider. Mike Blackstone and Larry Meaux are both extremely good. I, personally, don't have any experience with Phil, but he may be good also.
Change the rod bolts in the Eagle H-beams to L19's or ARP 2000's.
I'd also like to recommend that you put together and sort out a T-trim 600 rwhp combination. You might be surprised about 2 things: 1) how fast a 600 rwhp car is and 2) how difficult it is to get everything working properly. In all likelihood, you'll give up on trying to make 1000 rwhp. Plus, the complication of a turbo kit makes things even more difficult.
Want to get an idea of what it takes to make 600 - 900 rwhp? Check this out:
http://para.noid.org/~lj/
Be sure to look at his fuel system.
Mike
06-01-2004 | 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by engineermike
1. I'd also like to recommend that you put together and sort out a T-trim 600 rwhp combination.
2. In all likelihood, you'll give up on trying to make 1000 rwhp.
3. Want to get an idea of what it takes to make 600 - 900 rwhp? Check this out:
http://para.noid.org/~lj/
4. Be sure to look at his fuel system.
1. I'd also like to recommend that you put together and sort out a T-trim 600 rwhp combination.
2. In all likelihood, you'll give up on trying to make 1000 rwhp.
3. Want to get an idea of what it takes to make 600 - 900 rwhp? Check this out:
http://para.noid.org/~lj/
4. Be sure to look at his fuel system.
2. There are probably fewer than 10 F-body cars that have made 1000 rwhp, it is a huge undertaking that will cost $25-50,000. It's meaningless to make a big power number and spend the next three months rebuilding your car. We need to only discuss reliable power levels.
3. He doesn't actually say how much power he has made. All I see are component changes and comments.
4. Notice that he switched to an Aeromotive pump and larger fuel lines, just as I recommended yesterday, for power levels above 600.
06-01-2004 | 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by The Highlander
1) You can make a lot more power with a YSi than a mere 800rwhp. I believe the YSi is capable of almost 900rwhp and a tad more. There have been guys in the 8s trapping 160+ mph with 3400 race weight, so that accounts to a bit more hp than that.
2) As Rskrause is implying.... You can make 800rwhp on the stock block... George Baxter did 1125 flywheel HP with a YS trim and a stock LT1. Obviously he changed his block after that (wonder why
) but there are some people that have made 800rwhp on the stock block, now how long will they hold is not sure. but its an option.
3) You do not need an aeromotovie 1000HP pump.. that pump is real crap IMO. Check out racetronix with their intank setup and a boost a pump it should give you 700rwhp no problems with stock fuel lines and stock fuel rails.. Ask rich, been there done it... And im on the same path... A dual in tank is the best option from racetronix and I am still considering the setup...
4) for one i agree, but you can use the 50# and a superfueler.
5) No real need for cage really unless you plan on following the rules... Other than that.. the usual stuff... Torque arm (Spohn) Rear Control Arms, Shocks, Adj Panh bar... and the most important of all... SUB FRAME CONNECTORS.
One question though rich... how much HP are you making on pump gas????
There was a thread about the 1000HP mark... and a lot of knowledgeable people posted... Do a search there (as much as I hate saying that, because I hate when people send me to search) I just dont have the link.
My question to you 30th... Have you ever driven a 600rwhp car?
1) You can make a lot more power with a YSi than a mere 800rwhp. I believe the YSi is capable of almost 900rwhp and a tad more. There have been guys in the 8s trapping 160+ mph with 3400 race weight, so that accounts to a bit more hp than that.
2) As Rskrause is implying.... You can make 800rwhp on the stock block... George Baxter did 1125 flywheel HP with a YS trim and a stock LT1. Obviously he changed his block after that (wonder why
) but there are some people that have made 800rwhp on the stock block, now how long will they hold is not sure. but its an option.3) You do not need an aeromotovie 1000HP pump.. that pump is real crap IMO. Check out racetronix with their intank setup and a boost a pump it should give you 700rwhp no problems with stock fuel lines and stock fuel rails.. Ask rich, been there done it... And im on the same path... A dual in tank is the best option from racetronix and I am still considering the setup...
4) for one i agree, but you can use the 50# and a superfueler.
5) No real need for cage really unless you plan on following the rules... Other than that.. the usual stuff... Torque arm (Spohn) Rear Control Arms, Shocks, Adj Panh bar... and the most important of all... SUB FRAME CONNECTORS.
One question though rich... how much HP are you making on pump gas????
There was a thread about the 1000HP mark... and a lot of knowledgeable people posted... Do a search there (as much as I hate saying that, because I hate when people send me to search) I just dont have the link.
My question to you 30th... Have you ever driven a 600rwhp car?
06-01-2004 | 06:05 PM
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T Trim is rated for 825fwhp.
I bet you could pull 700rwhp with a 383ci + T Trim and all the other parts you need. I'd somewhere between 600rwhp and 700rwhp you will not be using 93 pump gas unless you drop the compression well below 9:1.
Z8's is the highest horse YSi 4th gen, he's got to be making 900-950rwhp to push a 3410 raceweight to 160mph.
I bet you could pull 700rwhp with a 383ci + T Trim and all the other parts you need. I'd somewhere between 600rwhp and 700rwhp you will not be using 93 pump gas unless you drop the compression well below 9:1.
Z8's is the highest horse YSi 4th gen, he's got to be making 900-950rwhp to push a 3410 raceweight to 160mph.
06-01-2004 | 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by Pro Stock John
T Trim is rated for 825fwhp.
I bet you could pull 700rwhp with a 383ci + T Trim and all the other parts you need. I'd somewhere between 600rwhp and 700rwhp you will not be using 93 pump gas unless you drop the compression well below 9:1.
Z8's is the highest horse YSi 4th gen, he's got to be making 900-950rwhp to push a 3410 raceweight to 160mph.
T Trim is rated for 825fwhp.
I bet you could pull 700rwhp with a 383ci + T Trim and all the other parts you need. I'd somewhere between 600rwhp and 700rwhp you will not be using 93 pump gas unless you drop the compression well below 9:1.
Z8's is the highest horse YSi 4th gen, he's got to be making 900-950rwhp to push a 3410 raceweight to 160mph.
you will be lower than that so it means that you have a lot more room to improve.
06-02-2004 | 09:14 AM
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With a good intercooler you should be able to get close to 700rwhp.
I made 746rwhp with an unlocked T400 and my YS Trim. I have a Griffin FMIC. I made my numbers on VP C12, which is 108 motor octane or more or less 110 leaded. But my numbers are unlocked so more like 800rwhp on 110.
I made 746rwhp with an unlocked T400 and my YS Trim. I have a Griffin FMIC. I made my numbers on VP C12, which is 108 motor octane or more or less 110 leaded. But my numbers are unlocked so more like 800rwhp on 110.
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