Hello Camaro Drivers (Please excuse me little mistakes in my english),

ive a little Problem. The Lawment in Germany is sometimes very terrible. Actually i want to buy American Racing Torq Thrust II Rims for my camaro and here in Germany a technical company (TÜV) must check this rims an give the OK to install that stuff.

Here comes the Problem: The Rims i need (50579563) have a load rating of 1250LBS = 567,50Kg and in my German Camaro Papers are written: Load Rating of the rear axle = 1190Kg = 2621,15LBS.

Hm, ok the half of 2621,15LBS are 1310,575LBS. Thats it, its a little bit to low.

The way i made, is to write American Racing to become a Document of this wheels, so far no problem, the guys send it to me. The TÜV said, that i can install the rims, if they can see whitch load raitings in the USA are written in the papers. The TÜV will reduce my rear axle load rating if its ok.

Now i need a copy of 1999 Camaro Z28 US-Papers (with all the Stuff like wheel dimensions and HPs, stroke ....).

We here in germany have 2 Documents for one car (the big one in the tresor at home and the little one in the car). I dont know whats up in the USA. So please can make me anyone a scan of the US-Papers (without Name and Adress), it will be a very big help for me.

Its realy horrible with carstuff here, but i hope that anyone can help me with the copy.

Big Thanks from good old germany

 

Hallo, haben Sie kein angst ueber dein Englisch, mein Deutsch ist sehr schlecht auch.

I do not know what papers you are talking about unless it is the owner's manual, but on the driver's side door the sticker says the rear wheel weight is 945 kg. That is just over 2000 lbs. So between the two wheels it is just over 1000 a wheel, and the 1250 load limit would be fine. Mine is a 94 camaro, but I am almost certain the differences between 99 and 94 do not matter. If you want I could get a picture for you.

Oh, and instead of saying 1320,575 lbs we use a period (1310.575 lbs). It was kind of confusing at first.

 

Thx for reply. The problem is, that the stickers i germany many other like these in the usa.

I mean not the owners manual, i mean the car-papers where your VIN are written, the wheel dimensions ... etc.

When the police stops you and say: Papers please, i think you must give your driving licence and the car-papers where are written if it your car.

Here is a german example (not my car):

 

we don't have papers like that. I've never seen anything like that in my life.

 

Probably the only place to get papers like that is from GM, I would contact GM(in the US or Germany, both will probably be able to help


and your English is fine, there are many people in the US with worse........

 

No kidding...

But no we do not have papers like that. When we get pulled over by the police and they say license and papers, they are refering to proof of insurance. Most the time they just say license and registration though. The tire size and rating is written on a sticker on the drivers side door. I'll get you a picture of what it looks like.

Also, why do they need to make sure they are the correct load limit? I have never heard of them asking about that in the US.

 

probably just safety stuff

but, mainly one word


Autobahn

 

Haha, Autobahn... No, the Autobahn isnt the only one reason i think. A friend from south africa become horrible Nightmares afters his first drive on the Autobahn (very fast and right-side driving.. to mutch for him)
When anyone of you guys come to germany, take a ride on the Autobahn, thats very nice, if you drive nearly 160MPH and overtake a policecar ... thats so funny. But its the only one good thing here. All the other stuff with a "CAR" is so mad.. (Papers, rules, law, insurance... No other lightcolor like white in front, no borderlights or undercar-lights... and many more).
I think i write it long time ago in one other thread, i live in Meißen thats near Dresden, nice place for holidays guys
If i have my new rims, and the weather is better, ill take a picture in front of the "Dresdner Frauenkirche", good picture for the world wide F-Body-Scene.

Here in Germany all stuff have rules, everything has a law.
What ever stuff i want to install on my car, i must have a "ABE" call "Allgemeine Betriebserlaubnis" whitch say, if that thing i want to install, ok is for my car (i think all is insurance and savety stuff).

If i dont have a "ABE" like the Torq Thrust II wheels, i must go to the TÜV or Dekra (the companys who check stuff on cars every 2 Years). Yes, we in germany must drive every 2 years to this companys an they look, if the car have no rust or nothing is broken, so that the car is no risk for other drivers on the street.

You must understand, that a german driver have a lot of car-papers, for all the installed stuff on the car.

OK, back to the papers. I buy the car and i become with it papers (the example-picture i posted). When the police stops me, they can look if my rims are ok for my car, or i have install any parts witch not written i my papers (not street legal is the US-word i think).

And in the USA the car have no papers? No papers from the dealer where are written rims, VIN and all the other stuff?

I think there are very big difference between the countrys.

If you dont have any papers, can take anyone a foto from a 99 Camaro Z28 doorstiker?
The export-camaros have many other stuff inside, many difference.


EDIT:

What must you do, if you buy new rims and wheels witch are bigger as the old ones. This new dimensions are not written on the sticker. Whats your way to become that stuff street legal? Have you no papers where you must write the new stuff in? The original rims are 245 50R16 on 16x8. Now you buy new rims, 275 40R18 on 18x9,5 (only as example). I think the new rims and wheels are not written on this sticker, you understand me? Its hard to tell all the mad german lawment

 

I didn't say it was purely the Autobahn, but I am sure it influencd the safety laws

 

I think he is referring to a title, only with lots more information on it.

 

but even if he is, once again, we(in the US) have nothing like it

 

we don't do anything. We just bolt them on and drive home. The government and police here can't tell us what wheels we put on our cars, the insurance companies don't care either.

We have NO papers like this whatsoever, nothing even close. And the door sticker from a US car isn't going to do you any good, as it only lists the stock wheel size, not aftermarket. If you are going for 275/40/17's then a door sticker from an SS will list them as original sized for the car, but I don't know if that will do you any good.

 

Ah ok, now i understand.

When you buy a rim, then its your problem if these ok for your car or not.

OK, can anyone tell me what the original us-load-rating is (rear axle)?

I not want to waste your time, i will write to GM to become more informations.

THX guys!

 

945 kg is the rear axle weight. Roughly 2000 pounds, or 1000 pounds per wheel.

Once again about papers, the only papers we have in the US are for the title of the vehicle (saying you own it), an insurance card (tiny piece of paper with VIN and car make), and an owners manual. None of those say anything about the tires, accept the owners manual states the original size it came with from the factory.

We do not have to worry about wheels being street legal. No papers for them, no stickers, no check ups, no nothing.

 

I wish i can this here in germany. But i think the next 1000 years not

Today im more happy then the last days. I phone with a couple of comapnys and they make my stuff street legal in germany. A couple of papers and a friendly TÜV-man and it works

Thanks for help again.