Not true...

The SS & WS6 cars in LTx form were rated with an additional 20hp, at 305 Vs the normal V8 cars rated at 285hp. The WS6 intake was/is far superior than the SS setup for many reasons, thus the boost in HP was more prevelent in the LTx WS6 Firebirds.

For LSx cars, it's similar, base was 325, with the SS/WS6 being 345 I believe. But the SS scoop is a mockup, and non-functional. I believe all the LSx cars all use the same intake setup.

 

I thought that the 98-99? LS1 f-body were rated at 305hp and the '00 WS6 at 335. I have not looked at the numbers in along time.

 

No, Stop reading magazines. LT1's 96-97 = Same HP +/- 5HP

The only things that added any real HP on 96-97 SS/WS6 was the SLP exhaust option on the SS. Unless it's a LT4 SS.

 

Uhm, dude...

put down the crack pipe and look at my user name... U think I don't know about my own car?????

I think you need to go do some real research and find the right info, you are the one that seems to be reading from magazines...

And the SLP exhaust was only an option, and rarely added option for that matter on any LTx SS. The SS RA setup was/is a **** poor design that did not add any HP to the car what so ever (Due to technical reason's I won't get into here, but has been discussed 100's of times on this MB). The WS6 LTx cars were another beast; with only a straight shot 6" long intake track, this is where they got their 305 hp rating Vs the stock 285 hp.

 

Well obviously you don't know your car or any other LT1 for that matter. Read my post do you see that word " option " right before SLP exhaust?

You are damn stupid if you really belive that the Ram Air on you car adds 20HP. Not to mention it isn't really functional either. The only benifit to either the SS or WS6 ram air is the fact that there are less restrictions in the air intake.

Now do you want to keep arguing? Dyno your car and maybe you will realize I am right. Your little Ram Air that you thinks adds 20HP adds no more than a SLP CAI.

 

I have to throw mine in:

My '95 M6 car ran 14.01 @ 101 with only an SLP CAI and on nearly bald street tires. I haven't had my '97 SS at a dragstrip yet. Anybody want to guess what my SS should run with 4.10's, Ram Air, decent tread on 275/40ZR17 Kuhmo Ecstas, and a LoudMouth Catback?

But what I really wanted to say is that just reading through this thread it makes me happy I made every painful payment (it's paid for now) on my LT1 car. (Now have a '97 SS.) You just can't get a better bang for the buck.

This post is about a guy that ran 13.9 with a 130,000 mile used car almost a decade old??? Awesome!

 

I will leave it at this... You have been a member here for a little over a month.. I've been here for over 5 years; been working on cars for over 15 years; I've rebuilt 4 cars from frame off, built 2 from scratch; I also hold dual BS degrees in ME and EE...

I know just about every bolt on my car, inside and outside. I also know thermodynamics and fluid mechanics better than most people on this MB...

But as I reasoned in another thread, I really should live by the words in my sig... so I bid adu... and you can continue to believe what you wish to believe...

 

thalt shalt not BS people about specs. go look up your numbers and come back and correct your post.

also ...

*goes outside and looks at my LS1 SS*

... how exactly is this scoop a mockup?

 

I have been here for alot longer than a month I just switched to a more internet friendly screen name.

You are wrong I am right. What does anything you listed have to do with pure common sense? The more you try to explain the dumber you sound.

All LT1's from the factory are just like LS1's. No matter what model the F-Body is they are all the same output. The 96-97 SS/WS6 might have 5HP more and the 98-02 SS/Firehawk may have a little more with the SLP/BW lid.

 

Ram Air isn't going to add HP unless you are moving. It's is less restrictive YES, but it's not 20 hp worth. 96 & 97 SS are rated at 305HP. Standard Z was 295HP.

 

Direct copy from one of the main 4th gen FAQs...

http://www.f-body.org/faq/4/4_1.htm#ch4_1a

"SS - available as an upgrade to the Z28 model starting in late-1995 (as a 1996 model). The package include a functional ram air hood scoop and reworked exhaust manifolds resulting in 305 HP and 335 ft-lbs of torque. An optional freer flowing exhaust system brings HP to 315 and torque to 342 ft-lbs. In 1998 with the introduction of the LS1 engine, power was boosted to 320HP, and with the optional SLP exhaust power was boosted to 327HP. The stock wheels and tires are replaced with 5-spoke 17" ZR-1 style wheels with 275/40ZR/17 tires. Hurst shifter and Torsen differential were available options. Bilstein shocks, stiffer rate springs/bushings, and a larger front sway bar make up the optional Level-II suspension. The stock spoiler is replaced with sleeker looking one. "SS" badges replace the "Z28" badges on the front fenders and rear passenger bumper. All cars were shipped as stock Z28s to Street Legal Performance (SLP) Engineering where the above modifications were made through 1997. After that, GM made the modifications on its own assembly line."

"WS6 Option - Ram Air Performance Package (Formula Coupe/Trans Am Coupe) Includes Ram Air induction system, specific tuned suspension, high polished 17-inch aluminum wheels, P275/40ZR17 speed-rated tires, dual oval high polished exhaust outlets. WS6 was the option code was available on both the Formula and the Trans AM.. This option boosted power to 305 HP and 330 ft-lbs torque on the 96 and 97 models. In 1998 the WS6 boosted power to 320HP and 345 ft-lbs torque."

I also don't know LS1s, this why I stated that "I believe"... Mainly in reference to LS1 intake tracks and the SS intake; I thought the LS1 SS hoods were appearance only and were non functional; someone correct me if I am wrong.

I never stated dyno numbers, nor anything else; I was quoting SPECIFICATIONS...

And if you can explain to be how a intake track that is straight and only 6" long is the same or equal to one that is 3 feet long and has a min. of 2 90* bends into it, I may believe you. (Speaking in terms of heat soak and piping losses if you could...)

Hell, if you are so set on being right, so be it... At least I can and do admit when I don't know something..

 

***NOTE TO MODERATORS:

I think this has gotten a little out of hand, and way off-topic...

Myself included as someone whom has been here a while should know better than to argue... (One of those weeks...)

 

you are wrong.



i'm quite surprised how many details the f-body FAQ leaves out.

 

Ok seriously here lol, here's a nice little break down for you all, I've only been here a lil while yes, but that doesn't mean I don't know these cars.

in 93-95 the cambirds were rated at 275 horse 325 ft lbs. The 93 cars were speed density and have been rumored to actually dyno more rwhp on average than the 94/95 cars. 95's are the best cars to have in theory due to the fact they have both OBDI's which are easier to tune and vented opti.

96-97 cars standard were 285 horse 325 ft lbs due to an extra cat added. The ram air cars were rated at 305 hp 335 ft lbs.

98-00 LS1's were rated at 305 horse 330 ft lbs, Ram air cars were 320 horse 345 ft lbs

01-02 LS1's had the addition of LS6 intake and boosted power to 325 hp 350 ft lbs for the ram air cars and 310 335 for standard, although the 02 firehawk was rated at 345 horse 345 ft lbes


there

 

why does it matter anyway about what the hp ratings are????? We all know the LS1 especially was underrated. I've seen a 97 WS6 dyno 243 hp 276 ft lbs and a 95 formula dyno 268 hp and 307 ft lbs. Yet the factory rating was the 97 made 305 hp and 335 ft lbs while the 95 was rated at 275 hp 325 ft lbs, and yes I know that is supposed to be motor not rear wheel rating but that doesn't matter obviously because the more power the motor makes, the more you see at the rear tires. Its all just advertisement. Its all about the car in question. I have a buddy with a 02 firehawk that dynoed 321 hp and 333 ft lbs BONE STOCK. then had a buddy with a 00 SS dyno 294 hp 301 ft lbs. Rating means nothing other than a round about figure as to what the car produces on average and what it was meant to produce. In other terms, to advertise the car's potential. Ram air DOES NOT produce 20 hp, it may up the rating by 20, but the car isnt making that much power just from ram air, that barely is more effective if at all, than a good aftermarket CAI.