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Old 08-20-2007 | 11:21 PM
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Sounds like he installed a manual fan switch, which honestly isn't needed unless it's a dedicated track car. And the FAST 90/90 setup should be tuned. Some bolt-ons you can get away with on stock programming, but not so much with the FAST setup. And the FAST throttle bodies a couple of years ago had problems with sticking at WOT.
How can I find out if this is one of the bad FAST intakes or not??? Unless the guy is totally truthful and tells me that it has had problems, but if the guy wants to sell his car he might not be truthful and do what he can to sell it...
Old 08-21-2007 | 06:21 AM
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How can I find out if this is one of the bad FAST intakes or not??? Unless the guy is totally truthful and tells me that it has had problems, but if the guy wants to sell his car he might not be truthful and do what he can to sell it...
Are you by chance looking at a dark blue Formula 6 speed with a Suncoast ram air hood?
Old 08-21-2007 | 06:39 AM
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Do you want 500 horsepower at the crank, or at the wheels?
Old 08-21-2007 | 08:24 AM
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How can I find out if this is one of the bad FAST intakes or not??? Unless the guy is totally truthful and tells me that it has had problems, but if the guy wants to sell his car he might not be truthful and do what he can to sell it...
The intakes are fine.

It's the FAST TBs that had previous problems. If it's a FAST TB, you may want to sell it on Ebay and get an LS2 TB or something else.
Old 08-21-2007 | 12:28 PM
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Are you by chance looking at a dark blue Formula 6 speed with a Suncoast ram air hood?
No...It is a 98 Z28 Black w/ t-tops 18"foose rims
Old 08-21-2007 | 03:12 PM
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Or you could fix the FAST throttle body by installing a throttle return spring like a carb setup. Forget about the LS2 TB as suggested by Kraest, as they are drive by wire and will not work in your application - Corvette guys, sheesh

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Old 08-21-2007 | 04:08 PM
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Forget about the LS2 TB as suggested by Kraest, as they are drive by wire and will not work in your application - Corvette guys, sheesh


My bad. Silly F-bodies
Old 08-23-2007 | 06:40 PM
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I would like to get 500 at the wheels
Old 08-23-2007 | 07:14 PM
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well could a LS6 intake take 500 hp?
It's not can it take it..... it's that what ever you're doing to get 500 hp the intake will be somewhat of a 'choke point' as far as CFM air flow.. (I'm learning a lot about this stuff lately)

if you're heads are flowing around 300 CFM, the fast 90/90 would work fine, but is only good for around 280CFM. But the stock LS6 intake won't flow too much better than around 270 CFM.

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Anyway.....


wait a sec....










Ok.

No, the FAST 90/90 is used to support internal modded engines.
It'll be a waste of $1000+.

Stock cam = Stock or LS6 intake manifold and TB
Cam only = LS6 intake manifold and ported stock TB.
Heads/cam+ = FAST Intake Manifold and 90mm TB.

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Old 08-23-2007 | 09:26 PM
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It's not can it take it..... it's that what ever you're doing to get 500 hp the intake will be somewhat of a 'choke point' as far as CFM air flow.. (I'm learning a lot about this stuff lately)

if you're heads are flowing around 300 CFM, the fast 90/90 would work fine, but is only good for around 280CFM. But the stock LS6 intake won't flow too much better than around 270 CFM.



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I'm just playin, man.. You definetly know enough to be dangerous



Think about what you're saying, though. If the FAST 90/90 only flows 280cfm, then how can you make 650+ crank horsepower with heads that flow 330cfm on them? From the idea you're portraying, wouldn't heads that flow 300 cfm work just as well?

The answer is "No."

While the intake is a "necked-down" point, it will still provide more than enough velocity to make larger heads work and make it work much better than an LS6 intake manifold.....
Old 08-24-2007 | 04:42 AM
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I'm just playin, man.. You definetly know enough to be dangerous



Think about what you're saying, though. If the FAST 90/90 only flows 280cfm, then how can you make 650+ crank horsepower with heads that flow 330cfm on them? From the idea you're portraying, wouldn't heads that flow 300 cfm work just as well?

The answer is "No."

While the intake is a "necked-down" point, it will still provide more than enough velocity to make larger heads work and make it work much better than an LS6 intake manifold.....
-Cool.. I was gonna say.. Anyway this is where I got the info from

Originally Posted by Patrick G
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Head flow:
Contrary to popular belief, when running a plastic intake manifold on an LS1, airflow at .600" is virtually meaningless. There are several reasons why. First, an LS6 intake will start to lop off airflow above 265cfm. A stock FAST 90mm intake seems to lop it off around 275cfm and a ported FAST 90 seems to lop off flow above 280cfm. What all this means is that most all airflow gains above 280cfm will go un-noticed when you bolt a plastic intake up to it. The real trick is to pack in more airflow in the low and mid lifts. If you look at all of the top running heads/cam vehicles, they will all have heads with excellent flow at .300,.400 and .500".
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=732392

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Originally Posted by Patrick G
Years of flow testing. Keep in mind, just because a manifold lops off the airflow at 280 cfm does not mean it won't flow more than that. It's just that it becomes more difficult to get gains above that point. Sort of like restrictor plate motors. Even though the restrictors cut down flow potential, there are still gains to be had with better cylinder head flow. The better the heads, the faster the cars went.

An engine will still make power pulling a vacuum at WOT. My engine pulls 1.5" of Hg at WOT in the higher rpm ranges. Need to find the culprit.

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Old 08-24-2007 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Campbell45
I would like to get 500 at the wheels
http://www.procharger.com/GM/gm_auto.shtml

The end result will be much more streetable.
Old 08-24-2007 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Patrick G:
What all this means is that most all airflow gains above 280cfm will go un-noticed when you bolt a plastic intake up to it.

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Keep in mind, just because a manifold lops off the airflow at 280 cfm does not mean it won't flow more than that. Even though the restrictors cut down flow potential, there are still gains to be had with better cylinder head flow.
Looks like he contradicted himself there. On the first post, he says that flow above 280cfm will go unnoticed with a FAST 90/90. On the second post, he says the exact opposite.

That's just another reason I don't go to LS1Tech to ask advice... I just go there to give advice and sell/buy cars I stay in touch with Allan at Futral and watch him build a bunch of 1000 horsepower LSx "street cars", an AWD turbo 434ci wet-sleeve LS1 Escalades on 24" rims that spin all 4 tires and run low 11s that weigh 6000+ lbs, and a bunch of money-making cars that will never be released on the internet.
Old 08-24-2007 | 09:32 AM
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I would like to get 500 at the wheels
Your options are a very streetable nitrous car, a stroker motor, a forced induction setup, or a heads/cam 346 that you have to wait until 4000rpm to make anything that resembles power and has a giant camshaft 24x/24x duration at .600+ lift)
Old 08-24-2007 | 11:03 AM
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Looks like he contradicted himself there. On the first post, he says that flow above 280cfm will go unnoticed with a FAST 90/90. On the second post, he says the exact opposite.

That's just another reason I don't go to LS1Tech to ask advice...
Patrick G deserves A LOT less credit than everyone gives him over there. "His 500rwhp recipe" is basically a write-up of someone else's work, as there are several people/companies that have been making identical numbers (utilizing the same basic principles) on ported stock casting cylinder heads through an LS6 intake - 3 years ago. Additionally, he used to be the small cam ****, putting down anyone who ran a cam bigger than his 224/228 or whatever, claiming that bigger cams offered no further benefits. Well look what he recently switched to, and the results of it

The whole EMO queer sig pics that are spreading like wildfire over there have really turned me off to what was once a quality tech site.


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