To Bentley:

If all this talk is about race times, you can to No Problem Raceway on any Wednesday after 4PM and run your cars all you want. If this is about performance, go to a rice forum. This site is about camaros!

 

TurboTransAM,
nicely said and well met... i bet your car is damn fun to drive.... thanks for your input

 

This is really sad... Anything that is fast , and I mean truly fast, deserves respect. If the car is about performance and is tastefully done, I'm all for it. And as far as the overall price thing, that is a dumb arguement. I could buy a $500 rust bucket and drop a $8,000 dollar engine in it and go fast. There, my car only cost $8500 so it must be the best You've got to pay to play. Now I will admit that I'm not really an import fan. Maybe it is because everything around here is in the all show and no go category. Yet, I am capable of having and open mind, and respecting another fast car even if it isn't the same thing I drive.

-Mike

 

Not trying to give you a hard time, just wanted to let ya know that DSM's were made in Normal Illinois.

And oh yeah; your car sounds nasty! Must be fun/terrifying going down the 1/4 in that!

 

Rice is just a word people here (More on this board then any where else in real life) use to express there dislike of what other people do to there car or what they drive. There is no real meaning behind the word anymore other then "RICE = I don't like your car". There you go, what people here think rice is. . On another note (actually what this thread is really about), I just the other day got into it with a GSX with a turbo (it was older then a 98 but not sure the year). Don't know anything else about it but he challenged me, so I jumped. I won by about 3 cars when I let off. Just a few mods on the Z (mostly free mods ). Haven't ran a strip yet but I am guessing a 12 sec GSX will kill me. Not meaning to be a Pri*k or anything, but I hang out with all sorts of car people. From the 40 - 60 year olds I go to the car shows, showing 55 Chevy’s next to my car, along with my best friend with a 01 cobra (showing along with us), to friends with imports (well, maybe they don't show with us, but there still friends). We all hang out in peace because we respect each other for individuals and the fact that where ALL car people (with a little friendly smack between chevy and ford owners of course). I think people here should be more considerate (unless someone’s just being a *****, like yellowcivic did a while back, if anybody remembers, then bash, bash, bash). Anyway just my two cents, like defibrillator said “can’t we all just get along”

 

2001 cobra runs 13s so how could a 12 second eclipse not kill you? maybe i misread it

 

You misread, I wasn't saying that I out run all of these cars, I was just saying I hang out with all sorts of car people not just camaro guys. on another note I actually out ran my boy in his 01 cobra with his mods after my mods (mostly after lid, I was just chasing till then), until he sprayed the old 100 shot on me. Then it was not even a chase . I was just trying to say that just because I beat that one GSX that I think I can beat them all even with mods. I don't think this. I said it so people wouldn't misunderstand me, ah well

 

btw Conceyted98GSX...i dont know all that much about eclipses and all that...but it was my friend's brother's car...so ive ridden in it...and i know it was pretty damn quick...he had turbo upgrades and tuning stuff done...but i know i still took him...stock...these guys got a point...it takes a whole lot more money to make a lil 4 banger go as fast as an 8...i really dont understand the point in trying to make a lil import go fast...waste of money IMO......

and i dont think he can miss any gears in an auto...

 

If you're friend is an auto then you have yet to experience an AWD launch. As far as spending money on a car to get it to go fast, Dave Buschur is selling his DSM for 20k and it runs 9's.

Bottom line is that there is a case that can be made about anything being fast. To say that a honda or DSM or anything is rice regardless of what has been done to the car is simply idiotic. On top of that most of the people on this board would then have to admit that there are "ricers" that could take their lunch money at the track.

I've seen a lot of people question why someone would bother with an AWD DSM, To those of you that feel that way come see me in Ohio in January in your LS1 powered Camaro and you'll understand. In the real world it's not sunny and 80 degrees all the time.

By the way, I don't think anyone has addressed this:

The definition of rice or a ricer:

A ricer is a person that modifies their car with parts that give the appearance of adding performance when in actuality there is no performance gain. These parts include but are not limited too, large wings, body kits, mufflers with a 4" tip on the stock tubing, decals, etc. etc.

An import that is legitamately fast and does not have these parts is typically not considered rice.

 

Last I saw, his gsx ran a 8.10. Not sure why he's selling it, maybe cuz he couldnt get it into the 7's?

 

Last I saw, his gsx ran a 8.10. Not sure why he's selling it, maybe cuz he couldnt get it into the 7's?

 

ok i think the issue here is the bare bone facts about the world we live in....the real world...

on a given day at the track you can exepect maybe 15% of cars to be v8 high powered RWD cars capable of 12's and faster.....the number of wrong wheel drive cars that can hit that number is considerably lower. Its a simple matter of physics, more displacement is capable of burning more fuel and pumping more air = more power potential....

can you get close with a 4-banger, well ya but its gonna cost alot more money, require forced induction and put alot more stress on every part in the driveline. Now on to the street world....no dedicated race cars here folks....now the number of 12 second and faster rwd v8 cars drops to maybe 1 or 2 percent (probably less) so the number of imports with fwd that can hit that mark is almost negligible and if they are around they live in the "sure its a street car" category. another problem inherent with front wheel drive is the number of times the rotational force of the driveline has to change directions...come on people thats not a good idea. the reason FWD was developed wasnt because it was in any way superior, its because its much, much cheaper to produce. the plants can drop the whole powerplant/driveline into the car in once piece, and all necessary support components are located at the same spot in the car. oh well, all i know is when i was younger i ran into alot of 12 and 11 second cars on the street that whooped my snot nose teenage ***....none of them were imports (im only talkin like 3 years ago)

 

LOL.. this thread is still around? Who dug it up?

 

The thing is, 12 second cars are'nt that immpresive as they were 5 years ago, with stock LS1's running low 13's ,C5 vettes running high 12's,Z06's running mid 12's.The new '03 cobra runs 12's stock also and then a new Viper runs low 12's.Christ even pick up trucks (lighning) running in the 13's off the showroom floor.There's a lot of 12 second cars on the street now.
you now need an 11 second or better car to get respect on the street now a days.
Sure there are some fast imports around but the top dogs are still the V8 american cars.
You might say that boost is a replacement for displacement but what are all you import guys going to do if you run across a 2000+hp twin turbo 600cid. Big block?There's single turbo small block mustangs making 2000hp and running 6.4's at over 220mph. In the big picture there is no replacement for displacement.

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'88 Saleen- 9.3@146 310cid 23lbs of boost
'95 Saleen S351- stock
'00 T/A,M6,stock till this spring
www.renegadesaleen.com

real men drive V8's!!!!

 

Okay i think we established we are superior..