ss and z28 - help please
#16
Originally posted by WedWoseZ
... I think we all agree that f-bodies are great, the SS is just cool (IMHO) and the Z28 can do anything an SS can do. Can't we all just get along ? Later Ryan
... I think we all agree that f-bodies are great, the SS is just cool (IMHO) and the Z28 can do anything an SS can do. Can't we all just get along ? Later Ryan
Anyway, according to Scott Settlemire... :
GM's Official Explanation from Scott Settlemire of whether an SS is really a Z28/SS or not!
#17
If I had a mic you could hear me clapping!!! Great find, clears up a lot, except the original question (which was answered in the few threads) was what is the difference. After that, we kind of veered off course just a little. You think?
Later
Ryan
Later
Ryan
#18
Originally posted by 99blackSS
When they replaced the intake manifold they put a better one on when they replaced the cam they put a less aggresive one on so there aren't any real gains. Bottom line is that All LS1 cars (C5 included) put down relatively the same amout of RWHP. The SS looks cool (personal opinion) and has stuff to turn a little better.
When they replaced the intake manifold they put a better one on when they replaced the cam they put a less aggresive one on so there aren't any real gains. Bottom line is that All LS1 cars (C5 included) put down relatively the same amout of RWHP. The SS looks cool (personal opinion) and has stuff to turn a little better.
#19
The LS6 intake and milder cam were introduced in model year '01, not '00. Intake alone slightly increases power, cam alone slightly decreases power. Bottom line, the two mostly cancel each other out, hence only a +5 hp rating difference.
With the milder cam, they were also able to eliminate the EGR system starting in model year '01.
A '98-'00 engine with the LS6 intake added would produce slightly more power than the '01-'02 stock engine, since it would still have a more agressive cam.
With the milder cam, they were also able to eliminate the EGR system starting in model year '01.
A '98-'00 engine with the LS6 intake added would produce slightly more power than the '01-'02 stock engine, since it would still have a more agressive cam.
#21
Originally posted by mbrownin
The LS6 intake and milder cam were introduced in model year '01, not '00. Intake alone slightly increases power, cam alone slightly decreases power. Bottom line, the two mostly cancel each other out, hence only a +5 hp rating difference.
With the milder cam, they were also able to eliminate the EGR system starting in model year '01.
A '98-'00 engine with the LS6 intake added would produce slightly more power than the '01-'02 stock engine, since it would still have a more agressive cam.
The LS6 intake and milder cam were introduced in model year '01, not '00. Intake alone slightly increases power, cam alone slightly decreases power. Bottom line, the two mostly cancel each other out, hence only a +5 hp rating difference.
With the milder cam, they were also able to eliminate the EGR system starting in model year '01.
A '98-'00 engine with the LS6 intake added would produce slightly more power than the '01-'02 stock engine, since it would still have a more agressive cam.
#22
The 00-02s got cast iron exhaust manifolds vs 98-99 with the stainless steel tubes. Which are better??? Why was the change made??? Gotta be a cost or reliability thing. Performance probably wasn't effected.
01-02s got slightly larger fuel injectors too. Can I assume this helped performance a tad?
01-02s got slightly larger fuel injectors too. Can I assume this helped performance a tad?
#23
Although it was touched upon, I'd like to mention the suspension components on the SS -- wheels and tires being a good portion of this.......there is a substantial difference in both ride and handling between the Z28 and SS. The Z28 is quite frankly, easier to live with as a daily driver here in Michigan with the roads we have to endure. The ride compliance is somewhat softer. Make no mistake...the Z28 will outhandle just about anything out there -- factory stock, that is.
I recall that we did some testing on the Z28 vs Mustang GT at one of our driving schools a couple of years back.....2000, as I recall.....and there was a sizable difference with the Z28 the clear consistent winner.....
....then we put the SS on the track......
even I was shocked at the difference between the Z and the SS....and the Mustang just kinda 'galloped' off the track red faced.........(figuratively speaking....)
In reality.....all 4th gen Camaros are Camaros.....coupes all have the same model number (1FP87) and all convertibles have the same model number (1FP67) The Z28 is, essentially, an option package.....RPO Z28. It is not a free-flow option....but rather a package.....and because of that, the window label spells it out as such. The SS (SS Performance and Appearance Package -- RPO WU8) is a package "on top of" the Z28 package. (confusing, no???) So, in reality, it COULD be said that all SSs are Z28s "and then some." But......we chose not to label the cars as Z28/SSs because historically, there never was such an animal -- and thus, we asked SLP not to label them as such.
Confused???? It is easy to get confused...but hopefully, my explanation gave you some insight.
I recall that we did some testing on the Z28 vs Mustang GT at one of our driving schools a couple of years back.....2000, as I recall.....and there was a sizable difference with the Z28 the clear consistent winner.....
....then we put the SS on the track......
even I was shocked at the difference between the Z and the SS....and the Mustang just kinda 'galloped' off the track red faced.........(figuratively speaking....)
In reality.....all 4th gen Camaros are Camaros.....coupes all have the same model number (1FP87) and all convertibles have the same model number (1FP67) The Z28 is, essentially, an option package.....RPO Z28. It is not a free-flow option....but rather a package.....and because of that, the window label spells it out as such. The SS (SS Performance and Appearance Package -- RPO WU8) is a package "on top of" the Z28 package. (confusing, no???) So, in reality, it COULD be said that all SSs are Z28s "and then some." But......we chose not to label the cars as Z28/SSs because historically, there never was such an animal -- and thus, we asked SLP not to label them as such.
Confused???? It is easy to get confused...but hopefully, my explanation gave you some insight.
#26
The "new" cam they put in the 01 up LS1 is the same cam they use in the trucks. I wouldn't look for a performance benefit from that. GM did this for financial reasons. Cheaper to make 1 grind than several, plus 1 part # to mess with.
Also, just because there are larger injectors doesn't mean there is more power. Duration of injection and pressure come into consideration also.
Also, just because there are larger injectors doesn't mean there is more power. Duration of injection and pressure come into consideration also.
#27
Originally posted by 2002Z28SSConv
Come on! Rarity is not the sole factor in determining a cars value. I like the SS. So I got one. You might like being mistaken for a V6 so that you get the stealth sleeper effect. To each his own. Who cares how many of each there are. The numbers are so close that it's a non-issue.
Enjoy the Z28. I'll enjoy the SS. When you see me on the road, wave and smile or give me the bird. I don't care. I'll just do the same and won't even get my heart rate up.
Come on! Rarity is not the sole factor in determining a cars value. I like the SS. So I got one. You might like being mistaken for a V6 so that you get the stealth sleeper effect. To each his own. Who cares how many of each there are. The numbers are so close that it's a non-issue.
Enjoy the Z28. I'll enjoy the SS. When you see me on the road, wave and smile or give me the bird. I don't care. I'll just do the same and won't even get my heart rate up.
as far as speed, theres not a noticeable difference.
#28
Just a note on the gear issue. I don't know about previous years, BUT 02 had a 3.42 gear option for the A4.
Later
Ryan
P.S. GIVE IT A REST!!! We are all talking in circles. The Z28 is great and the SS is better, in its own ways. It depends on what you want the car for, how you drive, where you drive, when you drive, why you drive, and ummm.... Oh yea, who you drive--OOPS! If all else fails lets at least agree to disagree. HAHAHA
Later
Ryan
P.S. GIVE IT A REST!!! We are all talking in circles. The Z28 is great and the SS is better, in its own ways. It depends on what you want the car for, how you drive, where you drive, when you drive, why you drive, and ummm.... Oh yea, who you drive--OOPS! If all else fails lets at least agree to disagree. HAHAHA
#29
Originally posted by WedWoseZ
Just a note on the gear issue. I don't know about previous years, BUT 02 had a 3.42 gear option for the A4.
Later
Ryan
P.S. GIVE IT A REST!!! We are all talking in circles. The Z28 is great and the SS is better, in its own ways. It depends on what you want the car for, how you drive, where you drive, when you drive, why you drive, and ummm.... Oh yea, who you drive--OOPS! If all else fails lets at least agree to disagree. HAHAHA
Just a note on the gear issue. I don't know about previous years, BUT 02 had a 3.42 gear option for the A4.
Later
Ryan
P.S. GIVE IT A REST!!! We are all talking in circles. The Z28 is great and the SS is better, in its own ways. It depends on what you want the car for, how you drive, where you drive, when you drive, why you drive, and ummm.... Oh yea, who you drive--OOPS! If all else fails lets at least agree to disagree. HAHAHA
But there is so much misinformation in this thread it's almost too ridiculous.
BTW, 2002's absolutely positively did NOT have any 3.42 gearing option for the A4s. The automatics ONLY came with either 2.73 or 3.23 gearing from the factory.
Mike
#30
Originally posted by 2000LS1Z28
I'm not here to argue this whole Z28 vs SS thing because I could absolutely care-less. To me, all tha matters is if the owner is happy with what they "have."
But there is so much misinformation in this thread it's almost too ridiculous.
BTW, 2002's absolutely positively did NOT have any 3.42 gearing option for the A4s. The automatics ONLY came with either 2.73 or 3.23 gearing from the factory.
Mike
I'm not here to argue this whole Z28 vs SS thing because I could absolutely care-less. To me, all tha matters is if the owner is happy with what they "have."
But there is so much misinformation in this thread it's almost too ridiculous.
BTW, 2002's absolutely positively did NOT have any 3.42 gearing option for the A4s. The automatics ONLY came with either 2.73 or 3.23 gearing from the factory.
Mike