afr 220 vs. le3 heads...
11-06-2005, 03:07 PM
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Re: afr 220 vs. le3 heads...
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
Well I guess you do anything to be part of the "industry" my guess is the mudslinging is your only way to do that.
WORK > TALK
11-06-2005, 03:09 PM
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Re: afr 220 vs. le3 heads...
Hate to break up the love fest but...
You talking about Chris Uratchko as in, that really fast guy with an abomination of a chevy/ford race car Bret?
Where'd you see these All Pro's listed?
Thanks.
-Mg
You talking about Chris Uratchko as in, that really fast guy with an abomination of a chevy/ford race car Bret?
Where'd you see these All Pro's listed?
Thanks.
-Mg
11-06-2005, 03:20 PM
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Re: afr 220 vs. le3 heads...
Tring to find it for you guys... it was around $6.5K for the setup which is SUPER CHEAP for what it is.
"engine was a 415" SBC using All Pro RR245 23 degree head, makes 871 horsepower normally aspirated, single carb cast intake and the car runs 8.80's at 3000 pounds on 28x10.5 tires. He won the first NMCA race this year in Pro Stock.........
The engine makes peak hp at between 83-8500, and the peak torque is 640 lb/ft at 6500. 3.75 stroke x 4.195 bore. Compression is around 18:1. "
http://yellowbullet.com/v-web/bullet...d85dd7eb47574b
Thats with the BES intake, Jesel Shaft Mounts and the heads complete, that ain't a bad deal at all.
Bret
"engine was a 415" SBC using All Pro RR245 23 degree head, makes 871 horsepower normally aspirated, single carb cast intake and the car runs 8.80's at 3000 pounds on 28x10.5 tires. He won the first NMCA race this year in Pro Stock.........
The engine makes peak hp at between 83-8500, and the peak torque is 640 lb/ft at 6500. 3.75 stroke x 4.195 bore. Compression is around 18:1. "
http://yellowbullet.com/v-web/bullet...d85dd7eb47574b
Thats with the BES intake, Jesel Shaft Mounts and the heads complete, that ain't a bad deal at all.
Bret
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11-06-2005, 03:50 PM
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Re: afr 220 vs. le3 heads...
Originally Posted by jnjspdshop
Spare me with your BS, build something fast and let your work do the talking.
WORK > TALK
WORK > TALK
And where is all your work, i've never seen anything but talk from you and its usually just a bunch of crap that doesnt add to a thread. For that matter i've never heard of you, and i dont know anybody that has either. Bret has a whole host of customer cars on here that put down the numbers at the rear wheels, i've not see one from you.
On the afr thing, in the big money circles they're not really anybody's favorite even on out of the box stuff theres just flat out better choices out there. Since you've had so many sets of afr heads through your hot little hands, how'd you like the lips the cnc work left behind. Also i've never seen a bench flow what afr claims, and i'm not the only one, seen a few be close on the intake side only, the exhaust is usually way way off.
11-06-2005, 04:07 PM
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Re: afr 220 vs. le3 heads...
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
Tring to find it for you guys... it was around $6.5K for the setup which is SUPER CHEAP for what it is.
"engine was a 415" SBC using All Pro RR245 23 degree head, makes 871 horsepower normally aspirated, single carb cast intake and the car runs 8.80's at 3000 pounds on 28x10.5 tires. He won the first NMCA race this year in Pro Stock.........
The engine makes peak hp at between 83-8500, and the peak torque is 640 lb/ft at 6500. 3.75 stroke x 4.195 bore. Compression is around 18:1. "
http://yellowbullet.com/v-web/bullet...d85dd7eb47574b
Thats with the BES intake, Jesel Shaft Mounts and the heads complete, that ain't a bad deal at all.
Bret
"engine was a 415" SBC using All Pro RR245 23 degree head, makes 871 horsepower normally aspirated, single carb cast intake and the car runs 8.80's at 3000 pounds on 28x10.5 tires. He won the first NMCA race this year in Pro Stock.........
The engine makes peak hp at between 83-8500, and the peak torque is 640 lb/ft at 6500. 3.75 stroke x 4.195 bore. Compression is around 18:1. "
http://yellowbullet.com/v-web/bullet...d85dd7eb47574b
Thats with the BES intake, Jesel Shaft Mounts and the heads complete, that ain't a bad deal at all.
Bret
but thanks for finding it for me bret.. btw.. Check your mail.. 
11-06-2005, 04:51 PM
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Re: afr 220 vs. le3 heads...
Originally Posted by jnjspdshop
I am an independant shop, I sell all different brands of heads and I have flowed AFR heads before on a SF1020 bench and they are right in line with advertised specs
I am sure the guy I have working for me KNOWS head porting also, so don't talk out of your ***. People in this industry always try to sling mud on the other guy.
Facts are facts, engines I build with AFR heads never seem to disappoint me or my customers on the engine or chassis dyno. I am sure you can get more out of an AFR casting but then you are talking about paying someone $1000-$1200 just for their labor costs, not including valvetrain
I am sure the guy I have working for me KNOWS head porting also, so don't talk out of your ***. People in this industry always try to sling mud on the other guy.
Facts are facts, engines I build with AFR heads never seem to disappoint me or my customers on the engine or chassis dyno. I am sure you can get more out of an AFR casting but then you are talking about paying someone $1000-$1200 just for their labor costs, not including valvetrain
If I wanted to talk out my *** I would just quote you.
I have an engine shop too BFD. I build race engines too BFD.
I know some of the best porters in the country and your shop isn't on the short list.
That was classic 
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11-06-2005, 05:42 PM
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Re: afr 220 vs. le3 heads...
Originally Posted by Mindgame
The guys over at Bischoff do some great sbc head work too but I wouldn't send them a set of LT1/LT4 heads. I'd send em' something better.
-Mindgame
-Mindgame
Either way, they do have some experience with lt1 portwork because my buddies have taken stuff out there for them to do.
11-06-2005, 08:16 PM
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Re: afr 220 vs. le3 heads...
Originally Posted by jnjspdshop
Go back to your theory talk child.
This site is for the benefit of the enthusiast community.
This site is not for trash talk when there are disagreements on how things are done, especially between shops. If you cannot be constructive and provide knowledge in your interactions with others, you will not be welcome here. Please stop or leave.
In addition, sharing knowledge is one thing, but if you are going to use this site to drum up business or talk about what you carry and can sell, you MUST step up and become a paying advertiser just like everyone else. However, even doing that does not allow anyone to go above the common deceny that is required of anyone here.
In short, you are going to have to change how you post here starting now.
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