Originally Posted by disco192

On the issue of people making fun of you... yes, sometimes people might give you crap. I wont. I respect an auto as being faster in a 1/4 mile.

The comment about chicks love stick was kinda a joke, but in all seriousness. He is 16 and in high school. HS girls like stick better. Not a proven fact, but just from my experience. Dont take it personally.

On the issue of gas mileage. If an A4 and an M6 are driven exactly the same, the M6 will almost always get better mileage, especially on the highway due to the more efficient drivetrain and lower cruise RPM. You are not gonna win that argument, but its really not a huge issue. I mean, they ARE sports cars, not Hondas.

Autos are nicer on a rear end. The shock of a clutch drop with sticky tires is what usually kills rear ends at tracks. An auto has a much smoother engagement with the TQ converter providing somewhat of a buffer in the powertrain. Over-reving just comes from a bad driver. Automatics can over-rev too. Try taking an A4 with 3.73s over 130 and tell me how high your RPMs go. It wont shift out of 3rd. Or if something goes wrong, you are up to the descretion of the tranny. I would rather have control.

The 4L60e is a weaker tranny in stock form than the T56. Its been proven many times. You will not see a 400 rwhp 4L60 in stock form. There are quite a few M6 cars with original trannys lasting 150k miles and more that push 400 rwhp and all they need is a stronger clutch. You can take a head/cam A4 and dog on it for about 30 mins and your 3/4 clutch pack will be toast. Its just a more fragile tranny. It just comes with the territory.

And the comment about old women. Be honest. Old women drive autos. That doesnt mean anything about anyone else that drives auto. I was simply stating that sometimes you find a awesome deal for a Z28 from an old woman who didnt ever take it over 3k rpm. You will rarely find one of those deals with a stick. That was a good thing about A4.

Now I dont apreciate all the personal attacks. I respect an auto fully. One of my closest friends has an auto. That car is fun as hell. Ive put more wrench hours into his car than most people on this board. Ive pulled his tranny about 4 times.

I was simply trying to give an unbiased opinion with facts and a little humor. Dont rip my head off because I would choose an M6 over an A4, and i believe everything that I said was in one way or another correct.

Originally Posted by maxf

Hey all,

I couldn't find a better area to post this in, so I hope it's okay. If not, please move it to the right spot.

I'm looking into buying an early 4th gen Camaro... It'll be my first one. The car will be a project car over the summer for me and my dad. Both of us drive Saabs right now () and when we finish the Camaro, I'll get to keep it.

Anyways, we're trying to figure out what to get- an automatic or a six speed. I'm sure this topic has been covered before, but the search button yielded no results for me. I'd really like to know what you guys think we should go with.

My goals for the car are like this: We'll most likely build up the engine, but not too much, as this will be our first venture into.. well, the auto world. Some basic bolt ons will follow. After we're "done," this car will be my daily driver. The Saab I have right now is a five speed and I absolutely love it (the fact that it's a stick, not a Saab). I don't know if I could enjoy an automatic as much. But, if an automatic is somehow a lot better than a six speed, then maybe we'll opt to go that route. So.. what is better, overall, an automatic or a stick? Remember, this is specific to the early fourth gen Camaro.

I'm looking forward to seeing what you all have to say...

Originally Posted by BlackLT1_TX

umm...you can get a t56 rebuilt for around 500 bucks with hardend shift keys. tell me how that is more expensive then the motor.

BTW- most 4l60e builds are more then 1000, and are at least twice as frequent as t56 rebuilds, thus being 4 times more expensive in the long run.

-james