Confused!! :/
10-22-2011, 02:39 PM
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Confused!! :/
Got my cash and ready to get some mods goin on my Z. I know im goin with a set of 3.73s in rear end. I also know im goin to pick up a GM Performance Hot Cam kit on Monday. Here come the issues... Looking for some good low-end torque, stop sign to stop sign power. Having heads worked was suggested, but now have buddy telling me id probly lose my low end power in exchange for hp's with having heads done. Should I skip the head work and go with some long tubes hooked up to my corsa catback instead? HELP!!!
10-22-2011, 05:48 PM
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GM Hot Cam Kit #12480002
Dur. .050 218/228 lift .525/.525
Meeting guy monday that has set of long tubes off a 93 Z, $100. Jegs has the cam kit for $569.99. Same guy also has set of lt1 aluminum heads he said will let go for $150.
Dur. .050 218/228 lift .525/.525
Meeting guy monday that has set of long tubes off a 93 Z, $100. Jegs has the cam kit for $569.99. Same guy also has set of lt1 aluminum heads he said will let go for $150.
10-22-2011, 07:06 PM
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What comes with "cam kit". We installed a performance hot cam and didn't have to change anything else. It's my understanding this is the same cam they install in the corvette. I think we paid $175 bucks for the cam. Just wondering what all your getting for $569.00 bucks. I've been told by numerous people the hot cam will run fine on a stock car no problems. It did for us.
10-22-2011, 08:07 PM
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What comes with "cam kit". We installed a performance hot cam and didn't have to change anything else. It's my understanding this is the same cam they install in the corvette. I think we paid $175 bucks for the cam. Just wondering what all your getting for $569.00 bucks. I've been told by numerous people the hot cam will run fine on a stock car no problems. It did for us.
10-22-2011, 08:15 PM
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How many miles on your car?
I would start with looking at air in and air out.
Cold air intake, 1LE elbow (or polished aluminum), long-tube headers and cut-out.
Being that you have an automatic, an aftermarket stall converter will help a lot.
If your looking for stop sign to stop sign power than you will want to look at your suspension as well. Only problem is, the more power you put to the ground the quicker you will break your stock 10 bolt.
I would start with looking at air in and air out.
Cold air intake, 1LE elbow (or polished aluminum), long-tube headers and cut-out.
Being that you have an automatic, an aftermarket stall converter will help a lot.
If your looking for stop sign to stop sign power than you will want to look at your suspension as well. Only problem is, the more power you put to the ground the quicker you will break your stock 10 bolt.
10-22-2011, 10:56 PM
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Lotsa different ideas. Thats good, gives me options to look at. Think everyone agrees on doing the cam. Also adding the long tube headers seems to be a givin. CAI, does it really improve air intake, and why would mfgs not make it standard from factory if so?
10-23-2011, 12:03 AM
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CAI, does it really improve air intake, and why would mfgs not make it standard from factory if so?
The LT4 HOT cam kit includes:
GM Performance 12480002 - GM Performance Small-Block V8 Camshaft Kit Details
This kit includes the following items:
One camshaft P/N 809-24502586
16 roller rocker arms kit P/N 809-19210729
16 valve springs P/N 809-12551483
16 valve caps P/N 809-10212808
16 valve keys P/N 809-24503856
16 valve spring shims P/N 809-10212809
This kit includes the following items:
One camshaft P/N 809-24502586
16 roller rocker arms kit P/N 809-19210729
16 valve springs P/N 809-12551483
16 valve caps P/N 809-10212808
16 valve keys P/N 809-24503856
16 valve spring shims P/N 809-10212809
10-23-2011, 07:26 AM
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The HOT cam kit springs are marginal for the heavier LT1 valves, the LT4 had hollow/sodium filled valves.
The rockers have a short slot so later when you want more power you will find them in need of replacing.
You would be better off putting in better springs and rockers right from the start, of course by the time you do it right the HOT kit is not such a wonderful deal anymore. It is also an extremely poor choice if torque is what you are after.
If heads are done by someone good you should be able to gain a LOT of HP and not lose lowend, but if buying on price like everything else you probably wont use someone good.
Like Black Z said an aftermarket stall is what you should be looking at for torque to the wheels. A good one drives well and stays cool, almost anyone will be fine driving a quality 28-3200 stall and the additional torque they put to the wheels is substantial.
The rockers have a short slot so later when you want more power you will find them in need of replacing.
You would be better off putting in better springs and rockers right from the start, of course by the time you do it right the HOT kit is not such a wonderful deal anymore. It is also an extremely poor choice if torque is what you are after.
If heads are done by someone good you should be able to gain a LOT of HP and not lose lowend, but if buying on price like everything else you probably wont use someone good.
Like Black Z said an aftermarket stall is what you should be looking at for torque to the wheels. A good one drives well and stays cool, almost anyone will be fine driving a quality 28-3200 stall and the additional torque they put to the wheels is substantial.
10-23-2011, 08:30 AM
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You already have a set of LT1 aluminum heads. Why do you want another set?
The CAI is a proven 10-15HP. CAI and a Borla catback picked up 3/10th's in the 1/4-mile way back in 94/95 when I first installed them. If GM had used the best possible air intake and dual exhaust like the LT1 in the Corvette used, there would have been no reason to buy the more expensive Corvette. The Corvette LT1 is identical to the F-Body engine, but it was rated 25HP higher because of a better air intake and the improved dual exhaust.
Thanks, that does make sense. All bout making that extra dollar!
The LT4 HOT cam kit includes:
The CAI is a proven 10-15HP. CAI and a Borla catback picked up 3/10th's in the 1/4-mile way back in 94/95 when I first installed them. If GM had used the best possible air intake and dual exhaust like the LT1 in the Corvette used, there would have been no reason to buy the more expensive Corvette. The Corvette LT1 is identical to the F-Body engine, but it was rated 25HP higher because of a better air intake and the improved dual exhaust.
Thanks, that does make sense. All bout making that extra dollar!
The LT4 HOT cam kit includes:
10-23-2011, 08:38 AM
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The HOT cam kit springs are marginal for the heavier LT1 valves, the LT4 had hollow/sodium filled valves.
The rockers have a short slot so later when you want more power you will find them in need of replacing.
You would be better off putting in better springs and rockers right from the start, of course by the time you do it right the HOT kit is not such a wonderful deal anymore. It is also an extremely poor choice if torque is what you are after.
If heads are done by someone good you should be able to gain a LOT of HP and not lose lowend, but if buying on price like everything else you probably wont use someone good.
Like Black Z said an aftermarket stall is what you should be looking at for torque to the wheels. A good one drives well and stays cool, almost anyone will be fine driving a quality 28-3200 stall and the additional torque they put to the wheels is substantial.
The rockers have a short slot so later when you want more power you will find them in need of replacing.
You would be better off putting in better springs and rockers right from the start, of course by the time you do it right the HOT kit is not such a wonderful deal anymore. It is also an extremely poor choice if torque is what you are after.
If heads are done by someone good you should be able to gain a LOT of HP and not lose lowend, but if buying on price like everything else you probably wont use someone good.
Like Black Z said an aftermarket stall is what you should be looking at for torque to the wheels. A good one drives well and stays cool, almost anyone will be fine driving a quality 28-3200 stall and the additional torque they put to the wheels is substantial.
And the kit not being good for the application I am wanting, well that is why I came here, looking for opinions and others experiences. As with lots of subjects, there are as many ideas and opinions as there are members here. Sure I will have a lot of trial and error as I progress with mods. Im sure all here have gone through that as well.
10-23-2011, 09:09 AM
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If you are buying LT1 heads, make sure you get the preferred casting. Unfortunately, the photos are dead in this thread, but read up on the casting differences:
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=427346
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=427346
10-23-2011, 09:25 AM
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If you are buying LT1 heads, make sure you get the preferred casting. Unfortunately, the photos are dead in this thread, but read up on the casting differences:
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=427346
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=427346
10-23-2011, 09:52 AM
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Well, back to square one
Scrap the GM kit. Comp Cams XFI 260 HR 13 kit, 1.6 roller rockers and a 2800 converter. Along with long tubes and CAI.
Scrap the GM kit. Comp Cams XFI 260 HR 13 kit, 1.6 roller rockers and a 2800 converter. Along with long tubes and CAI.