Crane 11522 Solid Roller Lifter user question
#16
Re: Crane 11522 Solid Roller Lifter user question
looks like you will need the alignment plates and spider for those.
and may not have the oiling issues according to the ad. (LS1?)
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/cranecams/chevv8192030.html
feeling uncomfortable about the 522's now......
and may not have the oiling issues according to the ad. (LS1?)
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/cranecams/chevv8192030.html
feeling uncomfortable about the 522's now......
Last edited by Tom 97ss #25; 01-27-2005 at 11:02 PM.
#17
Re: Crane 11522 Solid Roller Lifter user question
Thats weird. On the Crane site under lifters, standard
it says the 10510-16 are for 350 except LS1 and SB2????
The info you put says they are for LS1
anyone know???
it says the 10510-16 are for 350 except LS1 and SB2????
The info you put says they are for LS1
anyone know???
#18
Re: Crane 11522 Solid Roller Lifter user question
I called Crane Tech support this morning and the lifters Thunder racing sold me aren't even for a LT1 they are for the LS1.
I hope they take them back thats a major screw up
I hope they take them back thats a major screw up
#20
Re: Crane 11522 Solid Roller Lifter user question
Originally Posted by Jason Short
The 11522 is actually a common lifter for LT1 guys. As Bret mentioned, alot of these lifters have failed. I am one of those guys that had to go through that I have come to the conclusion that they fail because most people are running them with too much valvespring. IMO, anything over 180lbs on the seat is too much for these lifters to handle. The only successful combination that I have seen these lifters live in is <6800rpm when used with the Comp 977 springs (designed for small solid rollers) and using NO oil restrictors in the engine. I have seen 2 engine last with this setup past 15k miles (one has over 20k). At that point, its time to replace lifters anyway.
Jason
Jason
Bret
#21
Re: Crane 11522 Solid Roller Lifter user question
well, I called Thunder after Crane and Thunder says that I have the right lifter for a LT1 solid roller and that they sell this lifter for both LS1 and LT1's and it's all they have sold. They read right from the crane parts book.
If anyone has used part #10510-16 I'd like to hear about it.
If anyone has used part #10510-16 I'd like to hear about it.
#22
Re: Crane 11522 Solid Roller Lifter user question
Crane does make a good lifter in the Pro and Ultra Pro series, they even use an oiling orifice like the HIPPO option Crowers. However, we had this discussion I think it was about a year ago... same forum... where someone asked about streetable solid lifters. I mentioned the Crower HIPPO and the Red Zones, some other experienced guys like racerdude and others chimed in with their choices.
Needless to say... NO ONE ever mentioned using the standard Crane mechanical lifter with any success on the street. As a matter of fact, I think I made mention of people who'd had problems with them, so I'm surprised to see that some of you guys (participants in that very thread) went out and bought them.
Not to beat anyone up, hell it took Jason Short 3 tries to decide he didn't like them any more.
I will say that alot of this "life cycle" thing comes down to the cam profile. If you're running a cam with a lobe that looks like a rectangle with some radii on it, then you're looking for trouble. Want to run a race cam... build a race car, but keep them out of your street engine. If you use a good lobe and a great lifter then you won't have any problems with a good amount of spring. We're talking about lifters that are designed to deal with race springs here, so the issue isn't the lifter, it's the acceleration/decel of the valvetrain that's hard on the parts.
-Mindgame
Needless to say... NO ONE ever mentioned using the standard Crane mechanical lifter with any success on the street. As a matter of fact, I think I made mention of people who'd had problems with them, so I'm surprised to see that some of you guys (participants in that very thread) went out and bought them.
Not to beat anyone up, hell it took Jason Short 3 tries to decide he didn't like them any more.
I will say that alot of this "life cycle" thing comes down to the cam profile. If you're running a cam with a lobe that looks like a rectangle with some radii on it, then you're looking for trouble. Want to run a race cam... build a race car, but keep them out of your street engine. If you use a good lobe and a great lifter then you won't have any problems with a good amount of spring. We're talking about lifters that are designed to deal with race springs here, so the issue isn't the lifter, it's the acceleration/decel of the valvetrain that's hard on the parts.
-Mindgame
#23
Re: Crane 11522 Solid Roller Lifter user question
Originally Posted by Mindgame
Not to beat anyone up, hell it took Jason Short 3 tries to decide he didn't like them any more.
All they were doing is going in a stock shortblock/stock headed motor. I would NEVER put these lifters in a built motor, but if failure happened this time, I would only loose a $200 shortblock. For me, it was just an experiment. 4k miles so far, no oil restrictors, and 385rw with stock unported heads.
BTW, my "good" motor is using Comp 888's.
Mindgame, when are you going to sell me your engine?
#24
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LOL, I was just looking for someone to poke at and I know you're good natured Jason.
So yeah, I took it out of context just for fun.
I do remember reading... I guess when I first joined this forum... about your troubles with the Cranes but didn't know the whole story. Either way, you're not alone. I know of three other people who've had similar experiences with them. All of whom are very knowledgable.
385rw is impressive. With that much power, you don't need my bullet.
Actually.. it is coming out this summer when it warms up a bit. Next monster will be a ~440 ci tall deck aluminum Dart with some really snazzy heads and a custom intake that mounts the tb in near stock fashion. Just a pile of parts right now but should make for some nice fireworks this 4th of July.
-Mindgame
So yeah, I took it out of context just for fun.
I do remember reading... I guess when I first joined this forum... about your troubles with the Cranes but didn't know the whole story. Either way, you're not alone. I know of three other people who've had similar experiences with them. All of whom are very knowledgable.
385rw is impressive. With that much power, you don't need my bullet.
Actually.. it is coming out this summer when it warms up a bit. Next monster will be a ~440 ci tall deck aluminum Dart with some really snazzy heads and a custom intake that mounts the tb in near stock fashion. Just a pile of parts right now but should make for some nice fireworks this 4th of July.
-Mindgame
#25
Re: Crane 11522 Solid Roller Lifter user question
Originally Posted by Mindgame
I will say that alot of this "life cycle" thing comes down to the cam profile. If you're running a cam with a lobe that looks like a rectangle with some radii on it, then you're looking for trouble. Want to run a race cam... build a race car, but keep them out of your street engine. If you use a good lobe and a great lifter then you won't have any problems with a good amount of spring. We're talking about lifters that are designed to deal with race springs here, so the issue isn't the lifter, it's the acceleration/decel of the valvetrain that's hard on the parts.
-Mindgame
-Mindgame
BTW a lot of lift in a cam with a given duration doesn't mean that it's stupid aggressive there are lobes with less lift that are more aggressive. Not just cheater race lobes too!!
Bret
#26
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Mindgame: Regarding the lifter discussion...I think that might be a thread I started. A few years ago all you heard guys using (on Cz28.com) were the Crane 11522s. I already had a set of them, and I am running the 11522s as per my engine builder (with the fine print Jason mantioned). I was ready to say no thanks and ante up the buck, but my builder put me at rest. Anyone know where the :knock on wood:: emoticon is?
On a side note: I drove the car to work today, and manual steering sucks! I will have track numbers tomorrow. No rain, no work, and a little homework that can be postponed until Monday . Finally.
"Really snazzy" in Dr. MG language means "HOLY CRAP, these things are nuts!" in normal people language .
Ryan
On a side note: I drove the car to work today, and manual steering sucks! I will have track numbers tomorrow. No rain, no work, and a little homework that can be postponed until Monday . Finally.
Originally Posted by Mindgame
with some really snazzy heads
Ryan
#27
Re: Crane 11522 Solid Roller Lifter user question
Ok,
I understand the 11522's suck and I remember that other thread but how about this othe part number 10510-16? They are still a standard lifter so am I in the same boat?
Thanks
Tom
I understand the 11522's suck and I remember that other thread but how about this othe part number 10510-16? They are still a standard lifter so am I in the same boat?
Thanks
Tom
#28
Re: Crane 11522 Solid Roller Lifter user question
Mindgame, no problem man....I knew you were probably just messing with me It was a loss on that motor....just when I was starting to make some real progress with it (getting close to running 130mph in the 1/4), it let go. I think it was for 2 reasons. First the 11522s basically suck....and when I sent them back to Crane for evaluation after the failure the told me "welcome to the school of hard knocks" in those exact words Second, I was running the Comp 943 Pacalloys (240lbs on the seat) which apparently was too much spring. My biggest complaint to Crane was how their argument that I used too much valvespring was not backed by anything published by them. As an engineer myself, why would you NOT publish some kind of numbers as a guide to selecting the proper parts. All they say is that it is a "street" lifter, but offer no technical numbers (ie. spring recommendations) at all. So, in the end I lost a block (with $900 of machine work), cam, lifters, and the time it takes me to pull an engine. About $2500 I would guess.
I would never buy a set of 11522s again (even though I have a set it my motor now), nor will I ever buy Crane stuff. I use Comp almost exclusively, and the time that i didnt (to save $150), it cost me.
Tom, not sure on those 10510s bro....I wish I could help you more there. I would find out what Crane classes those lifters as before you use them though.....find out if they are a race type, or street. If street, I would not use them. Even if you have to pay $250 more for a lifter, its one area I will NEVER skimp on again.
Mindgame, sent you a PM
Jason
I would never buy a set of 11522s again (even though I have a set it my motor now), nor will I ever buy Crane stuff. I use Comp almost exclusively, and the time that i didnt (to save $150), it cost me.
Tom, not sure on those 10510s bro....I wish I could help you more there. I would find out what Crane classes those lifters as before you use them though.....find out if they are a race type, or street. If street, I would not use them. Even if you have to pay $250 more for a lifter, its one area I will NEVER skimp on again.
Mindgame, sent you a PM
Jason
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