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Old 11-26-2003, 01:08 AM
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Still don't see the answer to my question

for 425-445 HP, it looks like a 36# injector is about maxed out? Is that time to step up to a 42#?

I was looking at the racetronix site about the "disc" injectors...

Top feed disc injectors use a small disc with six holes around its circumference. The disc rests on a short chimney that surrounds a metering hole. As the disc is raised off the chimney by magnetic force, fuel flows through the holes in the disc, over the walls of the chimney, and out the metering hole to form a full, finely atomized cone.

Performance advantages over pintle injectors (i.e. Ford / Bosch & Accel types) as listed by Delphi:
• The flat mating surface ensures that no excess fuel is present to evaporate and therefore, no deposits or clogging can occur.
• Compatible with alternative fuels (i.e. Methanol)
• Longer service life
• High-speed disc action allows wider dynamic flow range for improved idling
• Quieter operation
• Revolutionary disc design resists build up deposits which can affect fuel flow.
• No Fuel leakage for quicker starts
Are Ford/Bosch the same as SVO injectors that many seem to be running?

The advantage of the $49 42# over the $39 42# injectors is that they're flow matched?
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Old 11-26-2003, 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by Dave88LX
Still don't see the answer to my question

for 425-445 HP, it looks like a 36# injector is about maxed out? Is that time to step up to a 42#?

I was looking at the racetronix site about the "disc" injectors...



Are Ford/Bosch the same as SVO injectors that many seem to be running?

The advantage of the $49 42# over the $39 42# injectors is that they're flow matched?
Yes, the $49 units are flow-matched. The Bosch / Ford SVO injector is very popular due to its superior marketing and lower price.
Consider this... when Turbo Buick owners begin to modify their cars they usually step up from the factory 28# injector to a 50# or 57# injector. Why you may ask would they do this on a small 231CID motor? This is so that they don't have to keep buying larger injectors every time they step up the HP. As long as you have a tuner that knows what they are doing the same idle and mileage can maintained with a 42# as a with a 30# injector. Nothing else suffers as a function of the injector alone. Buying 30's then 36's and then 42's is a waste of money. We are not re-jetting a carburetor here.
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Old 11-26-2003, 03:23 AM
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Consider this... when Turbo Buick owners begin to modify their cars they usually step up from the factory 28# injector to a 50# or 57# injector.
Don't forget that tuning for a FI car is a bit different than tuning for a NA car. Usually when the buick guys do this, they start turning the boost up to around 20 PSI and they usually upgrade the turbo and intercooler as well. I believe for a NA setup, WOT is supposed to be around 12.8-13.0 AFR while on a boost car, 12.0-12.5 AFR is acceptable.

I would get a nice set of 40 lb/hr injectors and set the fuel pressure between 45-48 PSI and have the thing dyno tuned. You shouldn't need to do it again for a while.
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Old 11-26-2003, 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by 97WS6SCharged
Don't forget that tuning for a FI car is a bit different than tuning for a NA car...
What has this got to do with the fact that a larger injector can be made to provide the same A/F, idle and drivability characteristics as a smaller injector? As long as the PW of the injector can be made narrow and stable enough there should be no compromises at idle. On a SEFI ECM/PCM this is fairy easy. On a B2B system this can be tougher to achieve.

All said and done a 42lb injector is very manageable on a LT1 so there is no real reason for someone to buy a smaller injector other than a small price difference. Think ahead and make your buying decision.
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Old 11-26-2003, 11:21 PM
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Alright, if say you have smaller (30#) injectors now, that you got for a very good deal, and say you keep them and get the car tuned with them. Then down the line get larger like 42#, does the car need to be retuned or will it make up for the difference?
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The ECM / PCM would have to be retuned as everything chages.
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Old 03-28-2004, 05:11 PM
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Looks like I'm gonna do the 42 lb/hr injectors then...hopefully Madwolf knows how to tune them to idle.
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Old 03-28-2004, 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by Dave88LX
Looks like I'm gonna do the 42 lb/hr injectors then...hopefully Madwolf knows how to tune them to idle.
Dave, you just got the thread hijacker of the year award.....

Just kidding man... I had to look at the first post twice to remember who started the thread...
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Old 03-28-2004, 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by scoobysnax83
Dave, you just got the thread hijacker of the year award.....

Just kidding man... I had to look at the first post twice to remember who started the thread...
I prefer to call it...a "follow-up".

See, I use the search button and STILL get in trouble!
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Originally posted by Dave88LX
I prefer to call it...a "follow-up".

See, I use the search button and STILL get in trouble!
lol
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