Rosko018

Got a camaro i put about 500 miles a year on, but want to keep it street friendly. Going to be getting a set of longtube headers soon, and now looking what I may like in a heads and cam package. Looking to keep stock stall, and run 400 at the rear wheels.

What are my options? Has anyone ran the Lloyd Elliot stage 1 or stage 2 package and what kind of numbers from that on an honest dyno? Would like good all around power with a choppy idle if possible.

Also the car is an automatic...

mr.green

Im not sure that 400rwhp is attainable with the stock stall the cams that will get you there need around a 3200-3600 stall unless there is alot of headwork done and im not sure then even..

Alot of people on here have ran both the LE1 and LE2 packages and i dont think that any of them were dissatisfied.

whammer33024

you want to get near the 400rwhp mark then you'll be looking at the LE2 package. as mr.green said, you will NEED a higher stall if you want to run any sort of bigger cam.

Rosko018

Why is a stall needed with a bigger cam? just curious. Whats about the biggest cam with the LE1 package I can run on the stock converter

lt1srule

a stall is a must with a le2 came unless you want to keep replacing starters after it stalls out on you a 100 times a day ...

NightTrain66

A stock converter requires you to focus on a milder idle and focus on making HP and TQ right off idle so the car will accelerate well. A 223/230 .565/.565 112 LSA cam is a great choice for a car with stock gears and no stall.

Anything larger and you would want to use a stall.

If you are wanting to see 400 RWHP, the 226/230 cam is probabaly the smallest you can get by with and that HP level is alot easier to achieve with a 230/234 cam. This cam will want at least a 2800 stall and a 3200/3600 would really amke the car fly.

When focusing on using stock gears and no stall, you will end up about 20 HP lower than if using the 230/234 cam on the same set up.

Lloyd

Rosko018

I'd probably go for the bigger cam choice and a 3200 stall. Whats a decent brand thats easy on the checkbook for our 4L60E transmissions?

Also Lloyd, with the LE1 package, the bigger cam you mentioned, a 3200 stall, stock gears, and an automatic transmission, longtube headers and intake, you think the car should be around 400 horse at the wheels with a good tune?

Also what kind of RPM needs to be spun with the 223/230, 226/230 and the 230/234 cams?

whammer33024

nighttrain66@msn.com

email him, haha. he's been really busy and doesn't have much time to get on the forums

rskrause

I hate high stall converters on the street. I prefer something that stalls around 2,500-3,000 and using a lower gear out back. Big stalls just feel sloppy to me. Good heads and a relatively small cam (~215-220 @ 0.050" on the intake) are the way to go for mild performance use on an automatic (with 3.73 or 4.11 gears). Get a cam with low "intensity", sometimes called an "aggressive" lobe with relatively high lift/duration, use good springs.

Rich