High RPM misfire
#31
Re: High RPM misfire
Some unclear writing here. Appeared you were attributing DTC 36 (the high resolution issue) to the ICM and injectors. Yes, the ICM, injectors, etc. could be the cause of the problem, but so could DTC 36.
In theory, the engine can run without the high resolution pulse. But there will be a small loss of ignition and sequential injector timing accuracy. Might not even notice the timing error, but in practice a missing high res pulse seems to affect the smoothness of the engine.
If the car sat with stale gasoline for 2 years the entire fuel system is suspect.
Rather than randomly replacing parts, might want to consider running a data log of the PCM, using GaryDoug's (free) Scan9495 software.
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/com...95-lt1-874306/
Guidelines for data logging:
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/com...-guide-886891/
In theory, the engine can run without the high resolution pulse. But there will be a small loss of ignition and sequential injector timing accuracy. Might not even notice the timing error, but in practice a missing high res pulse seems to affect the smoothness of the engine.
If the car sat with stale gasoline for 2 years the entire fuel system is suspect.
Rather than randomly replacing parts, might want to consider running a data log of the PCM, using GaryDoug's (free) Scan9495 software.
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/com...95-lt1-874306/
Guidelines for data logging:
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/com...-guide-886891/
#32
Re: High RPM misfire
ps: just filled it with gas as well brand new gas and i might just do maintenance with fuel filter and air filter.
#33
Re: High RPM misfire
Could be the Opti harness, the socket in the PCM, the connector for the Opti. Try this:
4th Gen LT1 F-body Tech Articles
Scroll down to "Optispark Harness":
http://shbox.com/1/95_ign_system_schematic.jpg
4th Gen LT1 F-body Tech Articles
Scroll down to "Optispark Harness":
At the end of the optispark harness (disconnected from the opti) with the key ON, you should see:
Optispark Harness
A = ~5vdc
B = ~5vdc
C = ~12vdc (or your system voltage)
D = ~0 - 0.2 ohms ground with key OFF
Optispark Harness
A = ~5vdc
B = ~5vdc
C = ~12vdc (or your system voltage)
D = ~0 - 0.2 ohms ground with key OFF
#34
Re: High RPM misfire
Could be the Opti harness, the socket in the PCM, the connector for the Opti. Try this:
4th Gen LT1 F-body Tech Articles
Scroll down to "Optispark Harness":
http://shbox.com/1/95_ign_system_schematic.jpg
4th Gen LT1 F-body Tech Articles
Scroll down to "Optispark Harness":
http://shbox.com/1/95_ign_system_schematic.jpg
reposted: i tested everything and used a dummy harness i made to test the pcm and the opti harness to the pcm is fine and even the icm except the ohms i dont really know how to do but i tried to see if it was grounded but it kept staying around .3 i dont know if i did it right but it seems like the optispark harness is fine but around the icm and such i cant get a read on yet but when i get my laptop and the usb to obdi scanner part i ordered im gunna try and get a log to see whats going on with it, because it seems like its still breaking up at 5k to 6k still but hesistation abit when it cold starts.
#35
Re: High RPM misfire
OK…. If you think it's not important to read and follow the advice you are given, or to keep your responses in one thread rather than scatter gunning it in three different threads, there's not much more I can do to help you.
#36
Re: High RPM misfire
ive been needing help and was asking questions even while using both threads constantly i bought the scanner tool for the other thread asked questions as well as trying to figure out how to use the software to see the high and low resolution signals...but course as usual no one wants to help me...thanks.
#37
Re: High RPM misfire
thank you and again im sorry
#38
Re: High RPM misfire
I looked at the log and it's not adequate tp make any meaningful analysis. You need to follow my guide for running a data log:
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/com...-guide-886891/
That link was posted above.
Normally I say don't reset the PCM. But in this case you have three codes - 16, 36, 41 - and you need to clear them (pull PCM BAT fuse for 30 seconds, or use Scan9495). That way I can see if and when they appear again.
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/com...-guide-886891/
That link was posted above.
Normally I say don't reset the PCM. But in this case you have three codes - 16, 36, 41 - and you need to clear them (pull PCM BAT fuse for 30 seconds, or use Scan9495). That way I can see if and when they appear again.
#39
Re: High RPM misfire
I'm going to copy and paste this here, because to get anything meaningful, particularly with a high speed miss, you have to follow this procedure.
DATA LOG GUIDELINES
Do not reset PCM. Do not remove a battery cable. Do not pull the PCM BAT fuse. (IN THIS CASE, YOU SHOULD CLEAR THE PCM)
Start COLD engine. Do NOT turn on A/C or Defrost. Turn off traction control (ASR / TCS) if vehicle equipped.
Leave the accel pedal alone. Do NOT rev the engine while it is warming up. Leave it alone. (There is nothing to be learned by revving the **** out of a cold engine, without a load on the engine. It will do more damage than good)
Allow engine to idle for at least 4 minutes. Should be long enough to warm up and put PCM in closed loop.
Start driving car for about 10 minutes. Vary the accel pedal position and RPM. Make at least one WOT pull from a roll up to at least 5,000 RPM.
Mentally note (or have a passenger write down) when the engine exhibited the problem you are chasing.
Stop driving, let it idle for about 30 seconds, without touching the accel pedal.
= = = = = = = = = = = = =
I'll also add - don't keep stopping and starting and the engine during the log. Just screws things up.
The log has no readings for the MAF sensor. Has the PCM been reprogrammed to run in speed-density? You should have a code for no MAF signal, but there is none..
Idle air counts are way too high at idle. This can be a problem with aftermarket throttle bodies, or the IAC may not be working. There is no feedback for the actual IAC position, and no codes if it is not working, idle air passage is plugged up, etc..
DATA LOG GUIDELINES
Start COLD engine. Do NOT turn on A/C or Defrost. Turn off traction control (ASR / TCS) if vehicle equipped.
Leave the accel pedal alone. Do NOT rev the engine while it is warming up. Leave it alone. (There is nothing to be learned by revving the **** out of a cold engine, without a load on the engine. It will do more damage than good)
Allow engine to idle for at least 4 minutes. Should be long enough to warm up and put PCM in closed loop.
Start driving car for about 10 minutes. Vary the accel pedal position and RPM. Make at least one WOT pull from a roll up to at least 5,000 RPM.
Mentally note (or have a passenger write down) when the engine exhibited the problem you are chasing.
Stop driving, let it idle for about 30 seconds, without touching the accel pedal.
= = = = = = = = = = = = =
I'll also add - don't keep stopping and starting and the engine during the log. Just screws things up.
The log has no readings for the MAF sensor. Has the PCM been reprogrammed to run in speed-density? You should have a code for no MAF signal, but there is none..
Idle air counts are way too high at idle. This can be a problem with aftermarket throttle bodies, or the IAC may not be working. There is no feedback for the actual IAC position, and no codes if it is not working, idle air passage is plugged up, etc..
#40
Re: High RPM misfire
I'm going to copy and paste this here, because to get anything meaningful, particularly with a high speed miss, you have to follow this procedure.
DATA LOG GUIDELINES
Do not reset PCM. Do not remove a battery cable. Do not pull the PCM BAT fuse. (IN THIS CASE, YOU SHOULD CLEAR THE PCM)
Start COLD engine. Do NOT turn on A/C or Defrost. Turn off traction control (ASR / TCS) if vehicle equipped.
Leave the accel pedal alone. Do NOT rev the engine while it is warming up. Leave it alone. (There is nothing to be learned by revving the **** out of a cold engine, without a load on the engine. It will do more damage than good)
Allow engine to idle for at least 4 minutes. Should be long enough to warm up and put PCM in closed loop.
Start driving car for about 10 minutes. Vary the accel pedal position and RPM. Make at least one WOT pull from a roll up to at least 5,000 RPM.
Mentally note (or have a passenger write down) when the engine exhibited the problem you are chasing.
Stop driving, let it idle for about 30 seconds, without touching the accel pedal.
= = = = = = = = = = = = =
I'll also add - don't keep stopping and starting and the engine during the log. Just screws things up.
The log has no readings for the MAF sensor. Has the PCM been reprogrammed to run in speed-density? You should have a code for no MAF signal, but there is none..
Idle air counts are way too high at idle. This can be a problem with aftermarket throttle bodies, or the IAC may not be working. There is no feedback for the actual IAC position, and no codes if it is not working, idle air passage is plugged up, etc..
DATA LOG GUIDELINES
Start COLD engine. Do NOT turn on A/C or Defrost. Turn off traction control (ASR / TCS) if vehicle equipped.
Leave the accel pedal alone. Do NOT rev the engine while it is warming up. Leave it alone. (There is nothing to be learned by revving the **** out of a cold engine, without a load on the engine. It will do more damage than good)
Allow engine to idle for at least 4 minutes. Should be long enough to warm up and put PCM in closed loop.
Start driving car for about 10 minutes. Vary the accel pedal position and RPM. Make at least one WOT pull from a roll up to at least 5,000 RPM.
Mentally note (or have a passenger write down) when the engine exhibited the problem you are chasing.
Stop driving, let it idle for about 30 seconds, without touching the accel pedal.
= = = = = = = = = = = = =
I'll also add - don't keep stopping and starting and the engine during the log. Just screws things up.
The log has no readings for the MAF sensor. Has the PCM been reprogrammed to run in speed-density? You should have a code for no MAF signal, but there is none..
Idle air counts are way too high at idle. This can be a problem with aftermarket throttle bodies, or the IAC may not be working. There is no feedback for the actual IAC position, and no codes if it is not working, idle air passage is plugged up, etc..
#41
Re: High RPM misfire
The procedure does not require you to drive unsafely, or in an irresponsible manner. The WOT pull can be in 1st gear, where you probably won’t have to break the speed limit. Pulling out on a highway from an entrance ramp should be reasonable. But if you feel it’s unsafe, don’t do it.
#42
Re: High RPM misfire
The procedure does not require you to drive unsafely, or in an irresponsible manner. The WOT pull can be in 1st gear, where you probably won’t have to break the speed limit. Pulling out on a highway from an entrance ramp should be reasonable. But if you feel it’s unsafe, don’t do it.
#45
Re: High RPM misfire
it was a maf delete the first time and it was tuned to use speed density, then i put a new pcm in and it reset so i put everything back.
but the mods it currently has is there following in the 95 camaro:
2500 stall no lockup w built trans,
shorty pacesetter headers with no cats just offroad y pipe
spark plugs were new like 3000 or so miles ago
egr delete
ac delete with replacement pulley
knn cold air intake kit
msd wires, new coil acdelco,
brand new petris enterprise optispark kit with new tubes for the vacum hoses and intake.
maf was deleted but now its back temporarily till i fix this resolution issue.
bottom end of motor was aparently refreshened up
air foil install a small mod with coolant bypass with throttlebody
and a new pcm as i said in post #40
i am not sure as far as i know from suspension and such i was planning to put long tube headers on after i fixed the issue...but i guess there is more to it then i thought?
please let me know if i missed any other questions.
EDIT: sorry and someone in my town who tunes on a dynojet he put it in speed density mode so it got alittle bit more fuel when i removed the maf so it didnt idle stupidly or act dumb and he also turned off traction control since i dont have a switch for it.
but the mods it currently has is there following in the 95 camaro:
2500 stall no lockup w built trans,
shorty pacesetter headers with no cats just offroad y pipe
spark plugs were new like 3000 or so miles ago
egr delete
ac delete with replacement pulley
knn cold air intake kit
msd wires, new coil acdelco,
brand new petris enterprise optispark kit with new tubes for the vacum hoses and intake.
maf was deleted but now its back temporarily till i fix this resolution issue.
bottom end of motor was aparently refreshened up
air foil install a small mod with coolant bypass with throttlebody
and a new pcm as i said in post #40
i am not sure as far as i know from suspension and such i was planning to put long tube headers on after i fixed the issue...but i guess there is more to it then i thought?
please let me know if i missed any other questions.
EDIT: sorry and someone in my town who tunes on a dynojet he put it in speed density mode so it got alittle bit more fuel when i removed the maf so it didnt idle stupidly or act dumb and he also turned off traction control since i dont have a switch for it.
Last edited by rustv8; 08-19-2021 at 05:31 PM.