I did it, first ever throttle body washer tank pass. PICS
05-14-2005, 02:31 PM
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Re: I did it, first ever throttle body washer tank pass. PICS
The Ford Lightning actually uses or used a A/C powered intercooler sandwiched between the Blower and intake, they said it was for short bursts only and I'm not sure if it made it to production or not but ford was tring it.
05-14-2005, 03:08 PM
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Re: I did it, first ever throttle body washer tank pass. PICS
The Lightening setup cooled a resivoir of coolant/water mix and stored it, upon demand it could then route it through a intercooler. So the AC did it's cooling during non-demand times and the cooled mix was stored. This is sort of the same idea as those that said use an electric motor and battery to drive a small AC compressor, the battery being the storage device in that system the resivoir bing it in the Lightning.
For the pump in this home brewed system might think about hitting a craft store they have small submersible pumps for those little waterfall things, they flow a decent amount and I think all of them are DC, if they are 12V or close to it you could just wire them in. Their power cord for home use have the AC to DC converter at the plug. Next you have to figure a way to allow this same pump and icewater cool the fuel, I would just want to be careful as to not overcomplicate the fuel thing and increase the likelyhood of leaks.
The b-body uses a square panel air filter in the stock airbox, I had debated trying something like this but using a more efficient heat transfer method like a heater core or small fin and tube tranny cooler in the box. I honestly don't remeber what a stock f-body intake lopoks like or if it can flow enough to make trying to use it worthwhile, the b-body system once modded some can flow enough and get cool air to start with.
For the pump in this home brewed system might think about hitting a craft store they have small submersible pumps for those little waterfall things, they flow a decent amount and I think all of them are DC, if they are 12V or close to it you could just wire them in. Their power cord for home use have the AC to DC converter at the plug. Next you have to figure a way to allow this same pump and icewater cool the fuel, I would just want to be careful as to not overcomplicate the fuel thing and increase the likelyhood of leaks.
The b-body uses a square panel air filter in the stock airbox, I had debated trying something like this but using a more efficient heat transfer method like a heater core or small fin and tube tranny cooler in the box. I honestly don't remeber what a stock f-body intake lopoks like or if it can flow enough to make trying to use it worthwhile, the b-body system once modded some can flow enough and get cool air to start with.
Re: I did it, first ever throttle body washer tank pass. PICS
05-15-2005, 04:33 PM
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Re: I did it, first ever throttle body washer tank pass. PICS
Originally Posted by 94ltwonz28
I drove for an hour today and temp bairly got above the first mark
05-15-2005, 09:06 PM
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Re: I did it, first ever throttle body washer tank pass. PICS
Originally Posted by Silver
I don't understand how cooling the throttle body can lower operating temps of the motor... the air, which is immediately combusted, yes, but the op temps?
the temp is low because or the fans always staying on, the throttle body bypass I made would just cool the intake charge slightly
05-15-2005, 10:08 PM
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Re: I did it, first ever throttle body washer tank pass. PICS
Originally Posted by 94ltwonz28
the temp is low because or the fans always staying on, the throttle body bypass I made would just cool the intake charge slightly
05-15-2005, 10:19 PM
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Re: I did it, first ever throttle body washer tank pass. PICS
There was a guy in a magazine a few years back who had a setup similar to this, but it was a standalone unit he used to cool it down at the track....so no extra water to weigh you down... and not use of the battery as he has another power supply.
To avoid shocking the metal (warpage, etc) he started off with warm water and slowly put ice in so the TB cooled gradually.
I don't see this as a good setup for cooling on a daily driver... the water will get pretty hot quite quickly... but great for the track... as long as you cool it slowly.
Just my .02 $
To avoid shocking the metal (warpage, etc) he started off with warm water and slowly put ice in so the TB cooled gradually.
I don't see this as a good setup for cooling on a daily driver... the water will get pretty hot quite quickly... but great for the track... as long as you cool it slowly.
Just my .02 $
05-15-2005, 11:19 PM
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Re: I did it, first ever throttle body washer tank pass. PICS
Originally Posted by PGM95Z
Sweet! Now you just need to do an "air conditioner redirect to air intake mod" and you're set. (ice cold ac air directly into the intake, now that would be 'cool')
lol
Actually, it probably wouldn't be that hard to do....hmmmmmmm
lol
Actually, it probably wouldn't be that hard to do....hmmmmmmm
05-16-2005, 12:22 AM
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Re: I did it, first ever throttle body washer tank pass. PICS
I'm still unclear as to what the original poster did, but my car with a stock cooling system + CSI pump + fans on all the time barely gets above the first mark either. It's probably not doing a damn thing for your power either considering air spends practically no time at the throttle body.
05-16-2005, 02:57 PM
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Re: I did it, first ever throttle body washer tank pass. PICS
The air going into the motor is moving very fast, so how much does this system actually cool the air?? It cant be in the throttle body long enough to cool it signnificantly. I dont see how it would make any difference to the temperature of the incoming air.
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05-16-2005, 09:26 PM
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Re: I did it, first ever throttle body washer tank pass. PICS
I did the same thing about 5 years ago when I first got my car. Thought it was a good idea but at the track it showed ZERO improvments in ET or MPH.
Although the TB was cooler I don't think it matters because the air goes by so fast.
The only way to learn is to TRY. So good luck and hopefully yours turns out better than mine.
Although the TB was cooler I don't think it matters because the air goes by so fast.
The only way to learn is to TRY. So good luck and hopefully yours turns out better than mine.
05-16-2005, 09:55 PM
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Re: I did it, first ever throttle body washer tank pass. PICS
Is it possible to build an air intake ( in place of CIA ),
with an electric motor with 1 or 2 fans ( like a turbine ),
that would pump enough air to get 20-30 HP increase?
Like an electric turbo of sorts?
It would spin slow at idle and speed up with more throttle.
with an electric motor with 1 or 2 fans ( like a turbine ),
that would pump enough air to get 20-30 HP increase?
Like an electric turbo of sorts?
It would spin slow at idle and speed up with more throttle.
05-17-2005, 12:03 AM
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Re: I did it, first ever throttle body washer tank pass. PICS
You'd need it to push something like 1200cfm at wot. The only ones I've seen that can put that much are industrial sized. The one's on ebay claiming "1200 cfm", but in reality, they push about 75-150cfm. Two fan in line would slow the air speed down. I think the only successful attempt at this idea has been the use of intercoolers. Althought I am experimenting a few ideas myself.
Originally Posted by bolek
Is it possible to build an air intake ( in place of CIA ),
with an electric motor with 1 or 2 fans ( like a turbine ),
that would pump enough air to get 20-30 HP increase?
Like an electric turbo of sorts?
It would spin slow at idle and speed up with more throttle.
with an electric motor with 1 or 2 fans ( like a turbine ),
that would pump enough air to get 20-30 HP increase?
Like an electric turbo of sorts?
It would spin slow at idle and speed up with more throttle.