LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
05-18-2006, 08:49 PM
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Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Fwiw 2.5 yrs ago or so.. i know of 2 local LTx's on stock bottom end's crackin' 400rwhp one w/ LTx castings and the other w/ afr's.. think it was 452 or so for the rwhp.. on the afr headed one... Joe happened to do those two car's.. one even went to a 10.8 on motor w/ ltx stuff.. So being the neutral party that i am.. I'm saying both know they're ****, and both have they're own idea's and belief's on things.. which we all could learn somthing.. If nobody was willing to challenge idea's.. there would be no innovation....
05-18-2006, 09:07 PM
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Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
Good head porters don't try and increase the velocity in critical areas... wow scary point again.
BTW Joe thanks for bringing so much usefull information to the site, you've only made posts in this thread acting like a little girl over the last 3 months, you only have one post on your other name touting yourself and that's about it.
What happened with ole Eric? I though he was your hand porting buddy? Now you are all on the CNC train? One day you will just admit that you don't like me because I do cams for Lloyd now, and the guys make more power AND love how they act and drive. I doubt that's why you don't like it though, the sales that you don't have thru him probably hurt the racing funds more. I don't blame you for being pissed, but your the one that screwed that up for yourself in so many ways I can't imagine. As for cars... I'm not like you and Ai I don't have to go touting my latest and greatest project just so I'm known and people don't forget me.
Bret
BTW Joe thanks for bringing so much usefull information to the site, you've only made posts in this thread acting like a little girl over the last 3 months, you only have one post on your other name touting yourself and that's about it.
What happened with ole Eric? I though he was your hand porting buddy? Now you are all on the CNC train? One day you will just admit that you don't like me because I do cams for Lloyd now, and the guys make more power AND love how they act and drive. I doubt that's why you don't like it though, the sales that you don't have thru him probably hurt the racing funds more. I don't blame you for being pissed, but your the one that screwed that up for yourself in so many ways I can't imagine. As for cars... I'm not like you and Ai I don't have to go touting my latest and greatest project just so I'm known and people don't forget me.
Bret
Bret never did I once say a hand ported head was bad... but just so you know my heads took 6 months to do by hand... got six months??? most these guys hardly will wait for afr's that long let along a set of ported lt1 castings... As far as the rest of the hypocritical BLAH BLAH BLAH ..... You were the one touting how your cams are so much better than everyone... Maybe you made a mistake naming me in a post again???.... next time I get a street car owner wanting a lil lope and a dyno sheet.And could care less how it does at the track ..I'll surely send them your way... Oh and Bret I don't have to act professional. I don't do this for a living... so like I said
Happy Sales!!!!! I'll be waiting for some wonderous times with these mad skills you have... Cause me as well as the rest of cz28 hasnt seen Jack in that category...
As for Eric hes still the man in my book personally... but he needs no boasting here,and he cant turn heads out a pair a week....
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05-18-2006, 09:30 PM
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Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by BlackScreaminMachine
Up until semi recently not many people were cracking 400+ rwhp, especially in 355's still be it a hyd rollers.
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05-18-2006, 09:32 PM
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Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Why don't you guys just start a "cam master ***** waiving contest" thread...
This has nothing to do with the post, I honestly believe you should settle your differences elsewhere.
Dennis
This has nothing to do with the post, I honestly believe you should settle your differences elsewhere.
Dennis
05-18-2006, 10:08 PM
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Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by BlackScreaminMachine
All I can say is this, I was lucky enought to hang with bret personally and took a hand in my cam install. He def. know his **** and I think more to the point the proof is in the #'s that LT1 are putting out now adays. Up until semi recently not many people were cracking 400+ rwhp, especially in 355's still be it a hyd rollers.
My cam runs fine, WILL pass emissions, excellent driveablity, did 362 rwhp through a 383, 2500 stall, 3" steel DS, and Moser 12 bolt, be it a m6/10 bolt it would nearly eclipse 400.
Very satisfied
My cam runs fine, WILL pass emissions, excellent driveablity, did 362 rwhp through a 383, 2500 stall, 3" steel DS, and Moser 12 bolt, be it a m6/10 bolt it would nearly eclipse 400.
Very satisfied
Those are TERRIBLE numbers, considering that many stock-bottom LT1s dyno anywhere from 390-410 through an auto with a heads/cam package.
Mike
05-18-2006, 10:09 PM
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Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by 95Bird
You guys on here must not pay attention much. We cracked 400 rwhp about 5+ years ago around here with hyd rollers. Shoot...cracked 450 rwhp over two years ago with stock bottom ends. Solid roller with gm heads are doing over 500 rwhp. Too many people around here settle for mediocre and are happy with it and wonder why their heads/cam cars can't beat cam only ls1s...shoot..some can't beat bolt on ls1s
Mike
05-18-2006, 10:24 PM
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Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by Kraest
Sounds like more of a reason to not deal with whoever designed that combo.
Those are TERRIBLE numbers, considering that many stock-bottom LT1s dyno anywhere from 390-410 through an auto with a heads/cam package.
Mike
Those are TERRIBLE numbers, considering that many stock-bottom LT1s dyno anywhere from 390-410 through an auto with a heads/cam package.
Mike
If emissions wasnt a issue then I know I could do more.
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05-18-2006, 10:24 PM
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Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
This Is Bull****! Give Credit Where Credit Is Due Thats All! If U Have A Combo That Works And Comes Togehter Really Well And Runs Great Awesome Thats It! **** This Im Better Than U Behind A Keyboard **** ... I Personally Have An A.i. Setup And Love It I Cant Even Begin On The Customer Service I Recieved From Phil And Ron Further More The Badass Combo They Put Together For Me! I Talked With Lloyd Before Making My Decision And Have Nothing Bad To Say About Lloyd But Bret On The Other Hand Didnt Have No Time For Me And My Silly Questions Well I Found Someone Who Did And Its Ai! Rick Abare Has One Of The Fastest Cars I Have Seen Its Amazing And For Someone To Say Otherwise Is Pissed Cause Hes Not In The Seat Running 10.0000000s At 137 N/a 383 Lol! So With That Said I Will Be Happy To Take Part In Whatever Challenge Lies Ahead For Ai V.s. Lloyd! I Will Put My Car Against Whatever Stock Bottomend Lt1 Bret Has So Whats Up Bret?
05-18-2006, 10:31 PM
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Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
If you have problems with what I say, go right ahead and say something, otherwise you aren't going to know why you are wrong.
guess its good to have friends in low places.
05-18-2006, 10:47 PM
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Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by 95Bird
You guys on here must not pay attention much. We cracked 400 rwhp about 5+ years ago around here with hyd rollers. Shoot...cracked 450 rwhp over two years ago with stock bottom ends. Solid roller with gm heads are doing over 500 rwhp. Too many people around here settle for mediocre and are happy with it and wonder why their heads/cam cars can't beat cam only ls1s...shoot..some can't beat bolt on ls1s
Although people exceeded the 400+ mark years ago (n/a), it certainly was not the norm. In pursuit of peak numbers some people have higher tolerence then others and are willing to give up little things like reasonable gas milage, reliability and driveability.
The only people who settle for mediocre are the people who set out to make the most power and gave up. Others work with in their means such as emissions, money, and a host of other things.
But point well made, if I live 20 min from Atco, id build a car not caring about a lot of things but not everyone has that luxury
05-18-2006, 10:57 PM
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Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
A little off Topic but red96z are you the one with the red Lt1 camaro in the memphis racing scene Videos???? Just wanna say you car is Pretty bad 
. We basically have 2 LE2 Lt1's running around in my town, One of the cars is a Le2 EVERYTHING and the other just has Le2 heads and a Custom XFI camshaft. We live a hour and half away from Memphis, we plan on making a Trip to the Motorsports park in the next month or so, maybe we can meet up an do a AI Vs LE race at the motosports park.
. We basically have 2 LE2 Lt1's running around in my town, One of the cars is a Le2 EVERYTHING and the other just has Le2 heads and a Custom XFI camshaft. We live a hour and half away from Memphis, we plan on making a Trip to the Motorsports park in the next month or so, maybe we can meet up an do a AI Vs LE race at the motosports park.
05-18-2006, 11:11 PM
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Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
LETS GET IT ON! THANKS FOR THE PROPS!
Originally Posted by T/A KID
A little off Topic but red96z are you the one with the red Lt1 camaro in the memphis racing scene Videos???? Just wanna say you car is Pretty bad . We basically have 2 LE2 Lt1's running around in my town, One of the cars is a Le2 EVERYTHING and the other just has Le2 heads and a Custom XFI camshaft. We live a hour and half away from Memphis, we plan on making a Trip to the Motorsports park in the next month or so, maybe we can meet up an do a AI Vs LE race at the motosports park.
. We basically have 2 LE2 Lt1's running around in my town, One of the cars is a Le2 EVERYTHING and the other just has Le2 heads and a Custom XFI camshaft. We live a hour and half away from Memphis, we plan on making a Trip to the Motorsports park in the next month or so, maybe we can meet up an do a AI Vs LE race at the motosports park.
05-19-2006, 01:52 AM
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Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by Joe O
the hand porter massaging areas to increase airflow/ airspeed even further...
Originally Posted by Me
Good head porters don't try and increase the velocity in critical areas... wow scary point again.
FWIW I'll name you in a post whenever you are wrong or I feel like it.
The way this all works is that some of us have friends and enemies, me being me (being cocky) I'm going to have enemies, but that's ok I don't sugar coat anything for anyone.
red96z, I don't remember talking to you, but seeing how you act I can see why someone would blow you off.
Bret
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05-19-2006, 02:06 AM
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Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by shannons86
You are just way to cocky for what you are and what comes around goes around... it will come back to bit you on the a$$. The reason I stay quite is because last time I started proving you wrong I was told to quit picking on you guess its good to have friends in low places.
guess its good to have friends in low places.BTW, opinions are like *** holes everybody has one.
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05-19-2006, 09:44 AM
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Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
GOOD Head porters try to slow it down so you don't let the fuel fall out of suspension, then again we have EFI right so that doesn't matter. lol
FWIW I'll name you in a post whenever you are wrong or I feel like it.
The way this all works is that some of us have friends and enemies, me being me (being cocky) I'm going to have enemies, but that's ok I don't sugar coat anything for anyone.
red96z, I don't remember talking to you, but seeing how you act I can see why someone would blow you off.
Bret
FWIW I'll name you in a post whenever you are wrong or I feel like it.
The way this all works is that some of us have friends and enemies, me being me (being cocky) I'm going to have enemies, but that's ok I don't sugar coat anything for anyone.
red96z, I don't remember talking to you, but seeing how you act I can see why someone would blow you off.
Bret
did i name a specific area in the head?? maybe I refered to the valve job since the porter 90% of the time does that to.... As far, as what you would like me to share ...LOL I'll just keep putting up timeslips, while you toss about dyno numbers...Like I said, if somebody wants to skimp I'll send them your way..