LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
#16
Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by SS MPSTR
You just need to make sure you're comparing apples to apples when looking at price alone.
These "apples" you speak of: what are they and how should we be comparing them to determine which company makes the better product? Care to shed some light?
#17
Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by Honda Hunter
Hope this doesnt turn bad.
I'd honestly like to see some more times out of both camps to tell the truth. Rick's car is cool and all.. but I'm sure most will agree that it doesn't appear to be the norm. How many full weight 13x trap LT1 casting cars have we seen?
#18
Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Javier, for your car you gotta put EGT probes in the headers, throw the thing on the dyno and tweak the crap out of the tune, throw on a vacuum pump, shaft mounts, solid roller and oh yeah wheelie bars to make it a comparable street car first.
There is no doubt this will get ugly like it always does, the same dudes are already pushing it there.
Bret
There is no doubt this will get ugly like it always does, the same dudes are already pushing it there.
Bret
#20
Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by thesoundandthefury
These "apples" you speak of: what are they and how should we be comparing them to determine which company makes the better product? Care to shed some light?
#21
Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by Javier97Z28
It probably will
I'd honestly like to see some more times out of both camps to tell the truth. Rick's car is cool and all.. but I'm sure most will agree that it doesn't appear to be the norm. How many full weight 13x trap LT1 casting cars have we seen?
I'd honestly like to see some more times out of both camps to tell the truth. Rick's car is cool and all.. but I'm sure most will agree that it doesn't appear to be the norm. How many full weight 13x trap LT1 casting cars have we seen?
#22
Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
There is no doubt this will get ugly like it always does, the same dudes are already pushing it there.
Relax Bret.
#23
Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by SS MPSTR
Is there one LE LT1-headed car in this category? And I agree, Rick's car has been put together well, there are no spared expenses or time, and it is driven well. Does that mean it cannot be duplicated with similar effort and time? Of course not.
People throw around "get the same heads as a 13x trap car".. sure, may be the same heads, but it may mislead people, that's all. I haven't seen many max effort LE cars either, so it's hard to compare, I'd love to be one of them but I can only spend so much this year
Of course, anyone scewed that easily shouldn't really be into this, but that's just me
#24
Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
I tlaked to both as well, and talking with Lloyd was great. Answered all the million and a half emails I sent him every night.
Ill have mine car running the secon weekend in June. Ill post up dyno and track results then.
And you think that with just the same heads and cam that AI's car is running, you'll be able to get that 130+mph timeslip? Nope, not unless you have an idential setup you wont. Its all about supporting mods. W/o, all you are going to do is be dissapointed in yourself and blame either AI or LE.
Ill have mine car running the secon weekend in June. Ill post up dyno and track results then.
And you think that with just the same heads and cam that AI's car is running, you'll be able to get that 130+mph timeslip? Nope, not unless you have an idential setup you wont. Its all about supporting mods. W/o, all you are going to do is be dissapointed in yourself and blame either AI or LE.
Last edited by scrmnws6; 05-14-2006 at 04:04 PM.
#25
Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Why not compare the LE2 heads to Ai 180cc heads?
It really depends on what your trying to accomplish and how much “attention to detail” matters to you. If your looking for a hand ported head I think the 180cc Ai head would be a better comparison of price, performance and parts.
It really depends on what your trying to accomplish and how much “attention to detail” matters to you. If your looking for a hand ported head I think the 180cc Ai head would be a better comparison of price, performance and parts.
#26
Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Hey, as I said before let's throw a LE package, a AI package for a 3000-6500rpm 350 cube motor to Golen and have them throw them on the engine dyno. Hell let's put a CC306 cam in there as well so we can compare them on the same camshaft as well, it would be good to see all the differences that the heads and the cams make. If they want to go with smaller valves and a much smaller port, then fine I don't care.
You guys basically saying that Ai has more attention to detail because they mill a few more things or whatever is pretty insulting to Lloyd. The things that count like VJ, port sizes in certain areas, guide clearance etc... are what really count and both places check that.
Bret
You guys basically saying that Ai has more attention to detail because they mill a few more things or whatever is pretty insulting to Lloyd. The things that count like VJ, port sizes in certain areas, guide clearance etc... are what really count and both places check that.
Bret
Last edited by SStrokerAce; 05-14-2006 at 04:28 PM.
#27
Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by SS MPSTR
Well, first neither of them 'make' a product - they offer services
Originally Posted by SS MPSTR
and the respective value that each offers is personal preference (i.e. they simply like the guy) for some, and objectively qualified (i.e. proven services) for others (and for some, it's both) - you'd have to ask everyone individually what that is worth to them dollarwise.
Originally Posted by SS MPSTR
As far as a relative comparison of the parts that are put on the heads, that's easy - are they the same parts
#29
Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Sure it can. I even volunteered my car. If someone wants to cover the labor of switching the heads, retunning and dyno time, and sending over a set of AI's heads, Im game.
My LE2 package will be here within a week, and everything is getting installed/tuned the second weekend in June.
My LE2 package will be here within a week, and everything is getting installed/tuned the second weekend in June.
#30
Re: LE2 setup vs. AI 190cc
Originally Posted by scrmnws6
Sure it can. I even volunteered my car. If someone wants to cover the labor of switching the heads, retunning and dyno time, and sending over a set of AI's heads, Im game.
My LE2 package will be here within a week, and everything is getting installed/tuned the second weekend in June.
My LE2 package will be here within a week, and everything is getting installed/tuned the second weekend in June.