LT1 Based Engine Tech 1993-1997 LT1/LT4 Engine Related

Need some help here, getting really bad gas mileage (Long)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-09-2003, 07:28 PM
  #1  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
My94RedZ28A4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: in the 951
Posts: 187
Angry Need some help here, getting really bad gas mileage (Long)

This is for the near-stock Red A4 Z28 in my sig.

Right now my Fiancee is driving the car, short trips, back and forth to work. The car probably is used 4 times a day in 15-minute intervals. My Fiancee drives like a normal, non Z28 owning, person

Anyways, we're getting about 13mpg, and if we take a long trip on the hwy, we might be able to eek out 17-18, but that's it. We're using 91 octane (The best we got here in Cali) and for the most part, the car seems to run fine. The car does seem down on power, but then again, I'm going from the M6/Hotcam/4.10 car to this car.

Keep in mind, the car does have 160k miles on a stock (Never been rebuilt) engine.

I'm thinking it's one of the following:
1. Clogged Cat
2. Bad O2 sensors
3. Dirty Air Filter
4. leaking fuel injectors

Here's a little background on what's been done:
on 11/02 and roughly 144k miles I did a halfway decent tuneup because the car was running horribly:
- replaced spark plugs
- replaced wires
- replaced coil

Then later that month, the car broke the 2-3 transmission shift solenoid, so I replaced that.

In May of this year @ 156k miles, I replaced the TCC switch because the tranny wasn;t locking up in 4th gear (It is now)

In June of this year @ 157k miles, I fried the ECM. I had Madwolf hook me up with a new one, with a HPP3 bin fine added.

I will state that I recently replaced the fuel pump, and I replaced the fuel pressure regulator in 2000.


What I do know is that as far as I have owned the car (Bought in Aug 2000 w/ 120k on the clock) it has not had the following changed:

Fuel Injectors
O2 Sensors
Cat
MAF Sensor
Map Sensor
Knock Sensor
CLT sensor
IAT Sensor
TPS Sensor
and probably a lot more sensors that I cannot think of


Because I know that Lousy gas mileage is directly related in terms of emissions, here's a report from when I smogged the car in April:

15mph:
RPM: 1428
%CO2: 14.3
%O2: 0.4
HC (PPM) (Max/Avg/Measured): 83/21/11
%CO (Max/Avg/Measured): 0.48/0.06/0.03
NO (PPM) (Max/Avg/Measured): 689/150/687

25mph:
RPM: 1903
%CO2: 14.2
%O2: 0.4
HC (PPM) (Max/Avg/Measured): 48/13/11
%CO (Max/Avg/Measured): 0.46/0.05/0.01
NO (PPM) (Max/Avg/Measured): 706/136/613

** Avg is the average passing vehicle's values, they are not the average values of this car. The values for this are are in the last (Measured) column **

I know that NOx production is a product of high combustion temps, I will say this car has the original EGR and (as far as I am aware of) is fully functional.

I plan to get some datamaster logs within the next day or two, however having said all of this, does anybody have any ideas? I'm really scratching my head on this one
Thanks
My94RedZ28A4 is offline  
Old 09-10-2003, 06:51 PM
  #2  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
My94RedZ28A4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: in the 951
Posts: 187
TTT
My94RedZ28A4 is offline  
Old 09-10-2003, 06:58 PM
  #3  
Registered User
 
shoebox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1969
Location: Little Rock, AR
Posts: 27,714
The easiest way to tell what is going on is to get some data when monitored by a scan tool. Otherwise, it is kind of a guessing game.
shoebox is offline  
Old 09-10-2003, 09:33 PM
  #4  
Registered User
 
BigRich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: that place nobody knows
Posts: 335
very detailed good job

like shoebox said, scan is better

i would clean out the throttle body, intake w/ deep creep and seafoam too, and run some redline st-1 fuel system cleaner thru there

if scan shows codes, change those things

i recently did O2 sensors and fuel filter

and i just recently cleaned my MAF wires gently w/ plain isopropyl and a Qtip don't press hard at all or you will bend the wires. there was a black coating on all wires, now nice and silver

others recommend electric parts cleaner but i was too lazy to get some. btw my car runs even smoother now, esp at 1000-1500rpm

new cat and catback prob help too
BigRich is offline  
Old 09-10-2003, 10:57 PM
  #5  
Registered User
 
JSK333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Cincinnati, OH, USA
Posts: 1,009
If the O2 sensors haven't been replaced in at least 40K miles (maybe more), then they definitely need replaced. I bet that will add a good bit to your MPG and emissions.
JSK333 is offline  
Old 09-11-2003, 07:18 AM
  #6  
Registered User
 
blackblur1996z28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: las vegas nevada
Posts: 246
13mpg is pretty good considering the car has 160k on it. Mine only gets 140 miles to the tank, and alot of that is freeway driving.
blackblur1996z28 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
F'n1996Z28SS
Cars For Sale
8
08-23-2023 11:19 PM
canbaufo
Cars For Sale
0
02-24-2015 10:27 AM
The Seer
Classic Engine Tech
2
11-26-2014 05:55 PM
MustangEater82
Automotive News / Industry / Future Vehicle Discussion
19
09-03-2002 02:09 PM



Quick Reply: Need some help here, getting really bad gas mileage (Long)



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:46 AM.