Some LT1 Myths/Misconceptions
07-09-2003 | 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by scoobysnax83
Don't let this thread die yet.......
Don't let this thread die yet.......
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07-09-2003 | 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by rskrause
Do you have any more myths/misconceptions? I can't think of any more common ones. There's always stupid statements, which are cousins to myths/misconceptions. Like the guy at work the other day who thinks he wants to race me in his new BMW M5. Thinks his car must be faster, 'cause it's a BMW, has overhead camshafts and 4-valve heads. Thinks he will take me up top, 'cause his car is "designed for the Autobhan". His definition of a race to high speed was up to 120mph, BTW.
Rich Krause
Do you have any more myths/misconceptions? I can't think of any more common ones. There's always stupid statements, which are cousins to myths/misconceptions. Like the guy at work the other day who thinks he wants to race me in his new BMW M5. Thinks his car must be faster, 'cause it's a BMW, has overhead camshafts and 4-valve heads. Thinks he will take me up top, 'cause his car is "designed for the Autobhan". His definition of a race to high speed was up to 120mph, BTW.
Rich Krause
Do you have any more myths/misconceptions?
By-the-way: you never answered my question on the water injection in the advanced forum.... I've been waiting for it for like 2 days. The suspense is killing me....
07-09-2003 | 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by rskrause
Like the guy at work the other day who thinks he wants to race me in his new BMW M5. Thinks his car must be faster, 'cause it's a BMW, has overhead camshafts and 4-valve heads. Thinks he will take me up top, 'cause his car is "designed for the Autobhan". His definition of a race to high speed was up to 120mph, BTW.
Like the guy at work the other day who thinks he wants to race me in his new BMW M5. Thinks his car must be faster, 'cause it's a BMW, has overhead camshafts and 4-valve heads. Thinks he will take me up top, 'cause his car is "designed for the Autobhan". His definition of a race to high speed was up to 120mph, BTW.
FWIW I never found anything conclusive on the 93 AFPR issue other than alot of people who say it works "just because it does". No fuel corrections are made at WOT regardless of the model year. Another internet myth IMO...
07-09-2003 | 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by rskrause
This thread is getting long! Did someone already mention another LT1 myth? The larger throttle body for a stock or near stock car? That's another myth, which I have personally seen debunked on the dyno. FWIW, the "RamJet 502" I recently looked at appears to use a twin 48mm throttle body (like a stock LT1), though I didn't measure.
Rich Krause
This thread is getting long! Did someone already mention another LT1 myth? The larger throttle body for a stock or near stock car? That's another myth, which I have personally seen debunked on the dyno. FWIW, the "RamJet 502" I recently looked at appears to use a twin 48mm throttle body (like a stock LT1), though I didn't measure.
Rich Krause
07-09-2003 | 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by scoobysnax83
lets take it up to 150 and see who wins...
I don't but there has to be more...
By-the-way: you never answered my question on the water injection in the advanced forum.... I've been waiting for it for like 2 days. The suspense is killing me....
lets take it up to 150 and see who wins...
I don't but there has to be more...
By-the-way: you never answered my question on the water injection in the advanced forum.... I've been waiting for it for like 2 days. The suspense is killing me....
Rich Krause
07-09-2003 | 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by kmook
That is a viable example... sorta. I always hear everyone use that expample, but what i wounder is has anyone taken a RamJet 502 and swapped a larger TB on it and see what happens. Just because it comes with a 48mm TB doesnt mean a larger one wont be benifitial.
That is a viable example... sorta. I always hear everyone use that expample, but what i wounder is has anyone taken a RamJet 502 and swapped a larger TB on it and see what happens. Just because it comes with a 48mm TB doesnt mean a larger one wont be benifitial.
OTOH, a CAI does help. I don't know if a larger TB helps when combined with a CAI. I suspect it may, but not by much. It's not a mod I'd advise for a stockish car, that's for sure.
Rich Krause
True true.
07-09-2003 | 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by rskrause
It's gonna be a long answer, patience young Jedi
Rich Krause
It's gonna be a long answer, patience young Jedi
Rich Krause
but the answer is well worth the wait
07-09-2003 | 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by frmula1
i stopped reading at page 2, so forgive me if this was already mentioned...
to trey on the brake thing...
TRUE...more rotor surface area, more friction, better braking...
waaaaiiiit..., no actually...
the first time, yes, better braking... once they get hot (im sure you know how quickly that happens...) gases begin to expand between the pad and the rotor, causing less friction and brake fade, along with the heat... drilled/slotted rotors evacuate those gases... and they DO brake better...
simple fact you couldn't sway me on.... drilled/slotted rotors = blank rotor OWNAGE
i stopped reading at page 2, so forgive me if this was already mentioned...
to trey on the brake thing...
TRUE...more rotor surface area, more friction, better braking...
waaaaiiiit..., no actually...
the first time, yes, better braking... once they get hot (im sure you know how quickly that happens...) gases begin to expand between the pad and the rotor, causing less friction and brake fade, along with the heat... drilled/slotted rotors evacuate those gases... and they DO brake better...
simple fact you couldn't sway me on.... drilled/slotted rotors = blank rotor OWNAGE
Rotors are much more complex than you think. And you pads do not emit gasses unless there is some INSANE (and by insane i mean nothing you could ever duplicate on the street) braking going on. Not in 2003 anyway.
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...hreadid=115180
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...ghlight=rotors
The simple fact that you used "Ownage" in your making you point discourages me from taking your response seriously
Please take time to read the above links- long yes but worth your time.
If you have anymore quesitons, lets not Hi-Jack Rich's thread. Feel free to email me or instant message me. We can "AIM"
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07-09-2003 | 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by rskrause
The nitrous question re: compression is getting way beyond LT1 specific stuff. But FWIW, there are both low and high compression nitrous setups that work. Way over simplifying, here's my opinion. An optimal setup for a street or street/strip car using a relatively small (150hp or less) nitrous shot would be a relatively high compression setup.
Using more nitrous than that gets you into a gray area, as far as I am conerned. The amount of hp "added" by the N2O does not depend on the CR. Obviously, the "base" (non-nitrous) hp does, to a point. The problem is that higher CR increases the tendency toward detonation, a problem with nitrous, especially when a lot of nitrous is added. So I would say that if everything else is the same (fuel used, operating conditions, cam, etc.), if you are using more then ~150hp from nitrous, a lower CR is needed to avoid detonation.
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The nitrous question re: compression is getting way beyond LT1 specific stuff. But FWIW, there are both low and high compression nitrous setups that work. Way over simplifying, here's my opinion. An optimal setup for a street or street/strip car using a relatively small (150hp or less) nitrous shot would be a relatively high compression setup.
Using more nitrous than that gets you into a gray area, as far as I am conerned. The amount of hp "added" by the N2O does not depend on the CR. Obviously, the "base" (non-nitrous) hp does, to a point. The problem is that higher CR increases the tendency toward detonation, a problem with nitrous, especially when a lot of nitrous is added. So I would say that if everything else is the same (fuel used, operating conditions, cam, etc.), if you are using more then ~150hp from nitrous, a lower CR is needed to avoid detonation.
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maybe that explains why i was told by a guy (who runs 6.67 and a 500shot
) that my compression is too high for a huge shot
07-09-2003 | 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by treyZ28
maybe that explains why i was told by a guy (who runs 6.67 and a 500shot) that my compression is too high for a huge shot
maybe that explains why i was told by a guy (who runs 6.67 and a 500shot
) that my compression is too high for a huge shot
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07-09-2003 | 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by rskrause
Like the guy at work the other day who thinks he wants to race me in his new BMW M5. Thinks his car must be faster, 'cause it's a BMW, has overhead camshafts and 4-valve heads. Thinks he will take me up top, 'cause his car is "designed for the Autobhan". His definition of a race to high speed was up to 120mph, BTW.
Like the guy at work the other day who thinks he wants to race me in his new BMW M5. Thinks his car must be faster, 'cause it's a BMW, has overhead camshafts and 4-valve heads. Thinks he will take me up top, 'cause his car is "designed for the Autobhan". His definition of a race to high speed was up to 120mph, BTW.
bwahahhaha..............please rich..... take his money.........he really needs to learn a lesson.
try and get someone to ride with you and get in on video if you can, ill host it on my website.
07-09-2003 | 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by rskrause
And I'll bet he isn't running pump "premium", whatever his CR! probalby C16 or something like that.
Rich Krause
And I'll bet he isn't running pump "premium", whatever his CR! probalby C16 or something like that.
Rich Krause
't was a zippy vehicle
holds the enlishtown (or it did at the least) for a 500ci motor on a single stage shot of nitrous.
no blower
no turbo
07-09-2003 | 02:19 PM
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i see a lot of guys on here who think the LT4 intake is an upgrade for the LT1 which it is not...
the optispark is a POS but in reality it is just in the wrong location... pulled that one out
porting the MAF is one of those things everyone did before they realized it is a bad idea
thats all i can think of.
the optispark is a POS but in reality it is just in the wrong location... pulled that one out
porting the MAF is one of those things everyone did before they realized it is a bad idea
thats all i can think of.
07-09-2003 | 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by aggiez28
trey...having seen pics of you holding a giant ***** discourages me from taking you seriously.................
click for pics
brook
trey...having seen pics of you holding a giant ***** discourages me from taking you seriously.................
click for pics
brook
but you suck at life brook. Everyone hates you now and you know not of what you speak
"those heads stuck"
"they made 950rwhp"
"i dont like the flow numbers"
dumb monkey