whats difference le1 HL and le1 1.5?
12-21-2007, 02:48 PM
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12-21-2007, 10:51 PM
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It's the internet, jackass. Take it for what it is, and it is never personal. I don't know you and you don't know me. You don't want replies, don't post.
12-21-2007, 11:33 PM
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Do you ever have anything constructive to say when you post? You made whatever point it is you wanted about the "marketing" techniques used and advised that the OP go talk to Lloyd, which was a good post. Is there something else you are trying to say or prove by continuing to post?
12-23-2007, 07:49 AM
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Ok..... how about a explaination of my cam descriptions:
LE = Lloyd Elliot (Duh)
1, 2, 3, 4 = the "stage" which relates to RPM range basically of the cam, higher the number the more cubes and RPM range of the cam
.1, .2, .3, .5 etc = the revision on the cam. With the exception of the .5, a larger number after the decimal point means it's a newer design. This is a lot like software revisions. The LE1.5 was made to fit between the LE1 and LE2 in terms of RPM range.
HL, EM etc.... = usually a change to the cam to fit different springs (HL) or to work with Emissions (EM) pretty simple.
I've worked out some newer cams that Lloyd sells now that fit within the same system but they are not labeled the same. Either way the system seems to be only something I get and it makes it easy for me to identify the cam immediately.
It's not for marketing BTW.
Bret
LE = Lloyd Elliot (Duh)
1, 2, 3, 4 = the "stage" which relates to RPM range basically of the cam, higher the number the more cubes and RPM range of the cam
.1, .2, .3, .5 etc = the revision on the cam. With the exception of the .5, a larger number after the decimal point means it's a newer design. This is a lot like software revisions. The LE1.5 was made to fit between the LE1 and LE2 in terms of RPM range.
HL, EM etc.... = usually a change to the cam to fit different springs (HL) or to work with Emissions (EM) pretty simple.
I've worked out some newer cams that Lloyd sells now that fit within the same system but they are not labeled the same. Either way the system seems to be only something I get and it makes it easy for me to identify the cam immediately.
It's not for marketing BTW.
Bret
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12-23-2007, 07:53 AM
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Hello.
I have LE2 heads and LE1.5 cam. After i made this install , i noticed a lack in the lower band of my torque without the power expected. I beleive the problem come from somewhere else but haven't found where yet (the car is also turning way rich at low RPM).
On the upper side of my curve , i have something normal with 395 RWHP.
Anyone with same set up can send me his power curve so i can see what i should expect instead of mine ? (thinkin wrd1972)
Thanks
I have LE2 heads and LE1.5 cam. After i made this install , i noticed a lack in the lower band of my torque without the power expected. I beleive the problem come from somewhere else but haven't found where yet (the car is also turning way rich at low RPM).
On the upper side of my curve , i have something normal with 395 RWHP.
Anyone with same set up can send me his power curve so i can see what i should expect instead of mine ? (thinkin wrd1972)
Thanks
My LE1.5 cam is noticably softer down low compared to the stock cam. My LT1 starts building big power around 2500 - 3000 RPM where the stock cam did it around 2000 -2500 RPM. This type of behavior is normal with a bigger than stock camshaft.
Now my stock cam was falling off at 5700 RPM, but the LE1.5 is still pulling hard at 6300 RPM. I have yet to rev my motor high enough to actually feel this cam fall off.
Now my stock cam was falling off at 5700 RPM, but the LE1.5 is still pulling hard at 6300 RPM. I have yet to rev my motor high enough to actually feel this cam fall off.
Now it's fully possible to get MORE TQ than stock from 1000-3000rpm, but the average power in the upper part of the RPM range is going to be less. I even have this cam already!
We are talking a gain of 20 ft lbs at 2000rpm but have 20ft lbs less at 6000rpm. That would work great in a Impala with a stock converter and 3.08 gear, but a F-Body with 3.42 gears and a M6 or a 3000+ stall will run harder with the cam that makes more up top, because it has a shorter RPM range it's working in and it's at a higher RPM.
Bret
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12-23-2007, 10:40 AM
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Pretty simple stuff here guys. Call LE and tell them what your final goals are. If Lloyd needs Brets help with something slightly different from their many combos, they work it out to your specfic needs. 
12-23-2007, 11:05 AM
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another thing depicting an LEx cam is that it is designed to work with the Crane 10308-1 dbl springs used on the LE1 haeds.
We have had some LE1.x cams in the 230 and larger duration range for people with a 383 or wanting to really spin their 355 but forced to use the LE1 heads for budget reasons (entire reason behind the LE1 heads).
We have also had LE1.x cams with less than 210 duration for people wanting a smooth idle, great low end TQ below 2000 RPM, etc for people with 2.59 gears and 6 speed vettes or B bodys with stock gears and no stall. As mentioned, it will not have the same power at 6000 RPM and abov as the "usual" cams but it fits the bill for what THAT customer wants.
Some LE1.x cams are on LSA's lower than 107 and some are wider than 115 depending on these other variables.
Some have less than .530 lift due to springs the customer wants to supply and some are over .570 lift.
LOTS of variables and each cam is for different applications and will work well for THEM, maybe not the next guy if he has a different set up or goal for the car.
Lloyd
We have had some LE1.x cams in the 230 and larger duration range for people with a 383 or wanting to really spin their 355 but forced to use the LE1 heads for budget reasons (entire reason behind the LE1 heads).
We have also had LE1.x cams with less than 210 duration for people wanting a smooth idle, great low end TQ below 2000 RPM, etc for people with 2.59 gears and 6 speed vettes or B bodys with stock gears and no stall. As mentioned, it will not have the same power at 6000 RPM and abov as the "usual" cams but it fits the bill for what THAT customer wants.
Some LE1.x cams are on LSA's lower than 107 and some are wider than 115 depending on these other variables.
Some have less than .530 lift due to springs the customer wants to supply and some are over .570 lift.
LOTS of variables and each cam is for different applications and will work well for THEM, maybe not the next guy if he has a different set up or goal for the car.
Lloyd
12-23-2007, 09:45 PM
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12-24-2007, 12:03 PM
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