jj93z28

I did a search and can't seem to find any info on this cam? Other than a few people saying that it would be a good smallish cam. My father and I should be installing it in the next few weeks, so I am curious who has it and what do you think? dyno and track # would be nice, but anything is appreciated.

Don 97 SS

Well, I can't answer your question today but I will be able soon. I just put that CC502 cam in my car tonight. I should get it finished by Friday night. I'm excited and can't wait to see how it performs with my mods.

jj93z28

Let me know how it works!!! Hopefully we both made the right choice.

jj93z28

Come on there must be a few more out there who have it or are planning on getting it.

TedH

I used to have that cam, along with CNC heads, Edelbrock shortie headers and Flomaster cat back.

Performance was 12.5-12.7 at 106 or so, gas mileage was 20-24, with a manual transmission and 3.73 gears.

I liked the cam. It was a good overall performer for the street.

jj93z28

Thats roughly what I was expecting, although I have stock heads so I doubt I will see the times you did. From what I can see its about the same as a hotcam. I read in another post that it would be slightly better because its an XE cam.

Mindgame

Guess you're building a ~350 ci motor?

Yeah, that's a good daily driver cam. The Xtreme grinds are a bit tougher on valvesprings but they do make nice flat torque curves.

-Mindgame

jj93z28

Yeah, I have a 93 z28 m6. The motor is pretty stock just intake and exhaust mods. We are putting in new vavle springs and I will be putting some long tubes on a week or so after the cam is in. I wanted to get the 224/230 but since the motor is pretty much stock the smaller cam is probably better.

Mindgame

Yeah, you may very well be happy with that cam but you should build the engine where you want it to be the first time around. In other words, if you have head/intake work and other mods planned for the near future you may want to go with the larger 224.
Then again, it all depends on your goals and what you're going to be happy with.... no one can tell you what you want.

I think with the right mods you could go low 12's high 11's with that cam easy. If that's what you're after then you are definitely on the right track.

Good luck.

-Mindgame

1BadRS

I just installed this cam in my car, I haven't gotten it back up and running yet but I can tell you this the guy who I got this cam from ran a 12.2 at 112mph, so there is plenty of potential with this cam.

jj93z28

Low 12's is exactly what I was looking for. 1BadRS I don't supose you know what other mods the guy had?

"no one can tell you what you want" I didn't think so, but the old man has 20+ years experience and apparently can tell me what I want (especially since he is paying)

rskrause

Sounds like you already have the cam, but I think you might be happier with the CC lobes I was running last year (#3190/3192) bor my blower car but with a narrower LSA and some advance ground in. I was using them on a 114LSA/114ICL, for NA I'd try a 110LSA. The #3190 lobe is 214 degrees at 0.050" but has 0.353" lobe lift vs. the 218 at 0.330". With 1.6 rockers this translates to 0.565" v. 0.528", so the area under the lift curve is bigger with the "smaller" lobe. The 218/224 cam also uses the #3314 lobe for the exhaust, which is not as good as the #3192. Both are 224 @ 0.050" but as with the intake lobes the #3192 has steeper ramps and higher lift.

Anyway, it's a good cam and I think it will work for you.

Rich Krause

WS6T3RROR

i've often wondered about that 218/224 cam having the lower lift lobes. the way i see it if you took that cam you were talking about with the 214* intake and compared its effective flow area wouldnt you come out with about the same ability to make power maybe more? if somebody would get tricky and figure up the lobe area for a comparison it might be very interesting. the other thing i can think of that would be cool is taking the given duration at lift points all along a cam lobe like every say .01 (after the 1.6 rockers of course) and then comparing it to head flow and coming up with an average. i hope that makes sense. if we could come up with a program to do this for us ( mindgame? my fellow and more experienced programmer ) i dont have strong enough math skills just off the top of my head to do it and i dont want a headache trying to figure it out. sorry for rambling.

1BadRS

ok first off let me say that the guy who ran the 12.2 at 112mph is driving a 3rd gen and so am I but we both run the miniram intake which is bascially the same as a LT1 intake. With that said he had AFR 190 heads, 1 5/8" SLP shorty headers, 2800 stall converter, and few other bolt ons. He cut a 1.78 60ft. on that run so that helped out his ET, but I'll tell you what that 112mph is what really impresses me. I have emmisions testing to worry about so this is really a great all around cam for people in my situation. Also that guy switched to the CC 306 and said his drivability went way down, I am talking about street driving here not racing.

rskrause

It's too bad cam manufacturers don't give out data like "area under the lift curve". But I'm pretty sure that comparing the specs they do give for the two lobes shows that the 214 lobe is actually "bigger".

XE lobe #3190
adv duration = 266
dur @ 0.050" = 214
dur @ 0.200" = 141
lobe lift = 0.353"

XE lobe #3313
adv duration = 270
dur @ 0.050" = 218
dur @ 0.200" = 139
lobe lift = 0.330"

Rich Krause