View Poll Results: What Springs Should i buy????
SLP 1" drop
4
22.22%
Wait for Strano's 1.2" drop
11
61.11%
Mac Progressive about 1"
0
0%
GMS Progressive 1.25
0
0%
BMR Progressive 1"
3
16.67%
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Buying new springs asap. HATE MY EIBACHS **POLL**
05-30-2007, 10:29 PM
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i have a bilstien HD shock, revalves are only neccessary if your driving your car really hard or racing it. koni's are good but not worth the money for my application.
there is nothing wrong with a Bilstein HD shock for regular street driving with very few times at the track.
there is nothing wrong with a Bilstein HD shock for regular street driving with very few times at the track.
05-31-2007, 12:29 AM
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I'll give the benefit of the doubt, but you have more problems than just the springs.
05-31-2007, 06:08 AM
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i have a bilstien HD shock, revalves are only neccessary if your driving your car really hard or racing it. koni's are good but not worth the money for my application.
there is nothing wrong with a Bilstein HD shock for regular street driving with very few times at the track.
there is nothing wrong with a Bilstein HD shock for regular street driving with very few times at the track.
Well you go with a pretty high spring rate spring, use improper shocks to control this and then lower your ground clearance, supension travel. And who knows what else, and you wonor why something is not working correctly?
Good luck, were just trying to help.
05-31-2007, 07:57 AM
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i know your just trying to help, and i appreciate it, but i dont see how using HD's are improper. i know lots of people running them, and even more said it was okay. all forums are so opinionated.
and i have bought an adj PHB. its on the way, it was the first thing i did, no i havn't rolled my fender because i listened to you guys and agreed that it could mess up my car.
all this thread was supposed to do was to help me pick a new spring.
i am not happy with my eibachs, i dont like the 1.5" drop in the rear and i want something new, as far as them sagging, and you guys not bieleving me nor the other people who have the same problem.
call eibach, talk to the tech department, and ask about late model camaro's Pro kit and what problems, first thing on there list is the rear springs sag. there fix for it is retarded and doesnt make sense, so i didnt bother doing it.
(said something like put my factory lower control arm bushings back in, urethane are no good., didnt make sense to me, so i left it)
and i have bought an adj PHB. its on the way, it was the first thing i did, no i havn't rolled my fender because i listened to you guys and agreed that it could mess up my car.
all this thread was supposed to do was to help me pick a new spring.
i am not happy with my eibachs, i dont like the 1.5" drop in the rear and i want something new, as far as them sagging, and you guys not bieleving me nor the other people who have the same problem.
call eibach, talk to the tech department, and ask about late model camaro's Pro kit and what problems, first thing on there list is the rear springs sag. there fix for it is retarded and doesnt make sense, so i didnt bother doing it.
(said something like put my factory lower control arm bushings back in, urethane are no good., didnt make sense to me, so i left it)
05-31-2007, 08:01 AM
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http://www.stranoparts.com/frontpage.php
Look here, all springs have at the least the revalves.
Lower springs, lower the car and decrease supension travel and increase your spring rate! If you have more than 16 inch wheels and tires you have increased your unspring weight too.
Sam has won many races etc. And would not recommend the HD for a 1.5 inch drop spring.
Get a set of realves and some 1.2 sam springs you should be happy.
Why do you need springs? I like doing the hose mod and using the lower perch with the SAj'as its a bit lower, and still very nice!
Look here, all springs have at the least the revalves.
Lower springs, lower the car and decrease supension travel and increase your spring rate! If you have more than 16 inch wheels and tires you have increased your unspring weight too.
Sam has won many races etc. And would not recommend the HD for a 1.5 inch drop spring.
Get a set of realves and some 1.2 sam springs you should be happy.
Why do you need springs? I like doing the hose mod and using the lower perch with the SAj'as its a bit lower, and still very nice!
05-31-2007, 08:23 AM
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k, couple questions about the re valves,
What benefit do they offer over the normal HD shock for normal street use?
How do i go about getting them, do i just buy them, or can i re-valve my HD's? ( i bieleve thats what they are, HD's revalved, correct me if im wrong)
is it worth upgrading? and how much $$$
What benefit do they offer over the normal HD shock for normal street use?
How do i go about getting them, do i just buy them, or can i re-valve my HD's? ( i bieleve thats what they are, HD's revalved, correct me if im wrong)
is it worth upgrading? and how much $$$
05-31-2007, 09:46 AM
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Revalves for the spring your going to be use. Are set up to control the shock (rebound). They do start life as HD normally. Sam Strano would be the person to talk to. I dont' know if you can send your 2 shocks in and get them valved or not. I got my new though him.
HD's are "ok" for normal springs and much better than the decarbons. Just with any lowerspring your increasing your rate my usually large amounts, but not the shock. The shock has to be good enough to control the spring. Even for street use.
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HD's are "ok" for normal springs and much better than the decarbons. Just with any lowerspring your increasing your rate my usually large amounts, but not the shock. The shock has to be good enough to control the spring. Even for street use.
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05-31-2007, 11:38 PM
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i ordered a set of Strano's today and a PHB on tuesday. so by next weekend i should be good.
06-04-2007, 06:34 PM
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i have a bilstien HD shock, revalves are only neccessary if your driving your car really hard or racing it. koni's are good but not worth the money for my application.
there is nothing wrong with a Bilstein HD shock for regular street driving with very few times at the track.
there is nothing wrong with a Bilstein HD shock for regular street driving with very few times at the track.
Do you somehow leave the spring rate @ home when you aren't "driving your car really hard or racing it". The car has NO IDEA what it's doing, doesn't care. The shocks control the sprung mass, the spring rate, and the unpsrung mass--and of which are always there all the time.
06-04-2007, 06:44 PM
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Really? That's news to me, and to Bilstein since they make it pretty clear HD's aren't suitable for lowering springs.
Do you somehow leave the spring rate @ home when you aren't "driving your car really hard or racing it". The car has NO IDEA what it's doing, doesn't care. The shocks control the sprung mass, the spring rate, and the unpsrung mass--and of which are always there all the time.
Do you somehow leave the spring rate @ home when you aren't "driving your car really hard or racing it". The car has NO IDEA what it's doing, doesn't care. The shocks control the sprung mass, the spring rate, and the unpsrung mass--and of which are always there all the time.
06-04-2007, 06:53 PM
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Bilsteins can be revalved, but I don't do it on used shocks (far too many issues in the past), and Bilstein will not put my specified valvings into shocks. Given the price of Revalving 4 old ones, plus to and from shipping, the wait time and the car laid up..... Most folks find buying new, saving about a week in shipping), not having the car laid up because your shocks aren't off getting worked, and having a set of HD's that hold their value well makes more sense.
New Revalves $530
Revalving old shocks around $300
Selling HD's used, say $250.
$530
-$250
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$280 is the net cost of buying new/selling old. Less than revalving 4 old ones and in normal circumstances saves about a week, location depending, for you to ship yours in. Of course YMMV based on what you'd get for used stuff and how much shipping you might incur to and from Canada.
New Revalves $530
Revalving old shocks around $300
Selling HD's used, say $250.
$530
-$250
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$280 is the net cost of buying new/selling old. Less than revalving 4 old ones and in normal circumstances saves about a week, location depending, for you to ship yours in. Of course YMMV based on what you'd get for used stuff and how much shipping you might incur to and from Canada.
06-04-2007, 06:59 PM
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so what actually happens with the hd's like why do they suck for lowered cars? what would change as far as ride quality, i mean i know you know your stuff, but now im kinda upset cuz my supplier said it would be fine for lowering springs. now i feel like i wasted money and time., 
06-06-2007, 07:38 AM
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They can not control your new stiff rate springs due to the higher rates of the springs and less supension travel.
Got to read. Suppliers most of the time sell parts to make money, not try to help you choose whats best. Thats why people Like me LIKE sam he dont' sell you stuff you dont 'need. And is honest with you.
Got to read. Suppliers most of the time sell parts to make money, not try to help you choose whats best. Thats why people Like me LIKE sam he dont' sell you stuff you dont 'need. And is honest with you.