How can i handle as well as a WRX?
#46
Re: How can i handle as well as a WRX?
Originally Posted by LT-14me
Hey all, i got challenged to an auto cross race by some *** in a wrx, i know those cars potent and the rally course is what they were made for. How can i level the playing field short of converting my car to awd? thanks guys
#47
Re: How can i handle as well as a WRX?
Originally Posted by mitchntx
Good discussion ...
How can I make my Trans AM ride like a Caddy while out handling an STi and all for under $1000?
How can I make my Trans AM ride like a Caddy while out handling an STi and all for under $1000?
STB, LCA relocation brackets, then, if you have the money, subframes
#48
Re: How can i handle as well as a WRX?
Originally Posted by Jeff 97 FS T/A
STB, LCA relocation brackets, then, if you have the money, subframes
#50
Re: How can i handle as well as a WRX?
Originally Posted by bruecksteve
Damn, how come no one told me about this thread. I have several good stories about my ESP Camaro and WRX's.!!!
Sorry Steve, I guess we should have invited you to the party.
#52
Re: How can i handle as well as a WRX?
Originally Posted by Jeff 97 FS T/A
STB, LCA relocation brackets, then, if you have the money, subframes
I was also thinking that if my Trans AM spoiler really worked, wouldn't a second one, stacked on top of the first, be even better?
#54
Re: How can i handle as well as a WRX?
These are the results from two of the three divisionals I attended. Personally, knowing many of the drivers of both types of cars, I'd have to give the nod to the Subaru's. As you start to move up in preperation, the F-Body's start to fade. Keep in mind, this is an autox and not road racing. I suspect it would be the other way around but have no data to prove it.
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SEDivisonal Event #2 Gainesville FL
2t 65/AS PAUL DENNIS RITCHIE NAPLES FL > 107.824 <
04 SUBARU STI HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 57.568 2) 57.109 3) 56.098
SUN: 1) O/C 2) 51.726 3) 53.451
3. 31/AS RUSS CLARK, DIXIE TALLAHASSEE FL > 108.761 <
04 SUBARU STI
SAT: 1) 57.252 2) 57.024 3) 57.099
SUN: 1) 52.842 2) 52.875 3) 51.737
1t 27/FS JERRY GRIGG WARNER ROBINS GA > 110.708 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 59.027 2) 57.839 3) 58.871
SUN: 1) 53.372 2) 52.869 3) 52.958
2. 34/FS KAREN KRAUS BROWNSVILLE MD > 111.259 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z28 HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 59.513 2) 60.274( 1) 3) 58.543
SUN: 1) 57.653( 2) 2) 53.306 3) 52.716
1t 74/ESP STEVE BRUECK GRAYSON GA > 105.863 <
94 CHEVY CAMARO Z28 KUMHO
SAT: 1) 55.544 2) 54.772 3) 54.753
SUN: 1) 51.484 2) 51.110 3) 51.237
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SEDivisonal Event #3 Michelin Tire Proving Grounds Lauren SC
2t 31/AS RUSS CLARK TALLAHASSEE FL > 86.761 <
04 SUBARU STI
SAT: 1) 46.732 2) 48.708( 1) 3) 46.103
SUN: 1) 41.108 2) 41.215 3) 40.658
1t 34/FS KAREN KRAUS BROWNSVILLE MD > 84.840 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z28 HOOSIERTRISKELION RACING
SAT: 1) 46.555 2) 45.545 3) 45.229
SUN: 1) 40.990 2) 39.651 3) 39.611
2. 51/FS JIM FOSSUM GREER SC > 85.897 <
98 CHEV Z28 HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 46.202 2) 46.437 3) 45.848
SUN: 1) 40.049 2) 42.372( 1) 3) 40.171
3. 27/FS JERRY GRIGG WARNER ROBINS GA > 85.921 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 49.217( 1) 2) 46.853 3) 45.927
SUN: 1) 40.853 2) 40.086 3) 39.994
1t 55/STX TOM HOPPE RALEIGH NC > 83.944 <
02 SUBARU WRX SUBARU BOXER4RACING.COM
SAT: 1) 47.134( 1) 2) 44.675 3) 47.253( 1)
SUN: 1) 41.272( 1) 2) 39.269 3) 47.193( 4)
2t 21/STX MIKE KING JACKSONVILLE FL > 84.907 <
04 SUBARU WRX FALKEN SUBARU SE REGION-WWW.SOJAX.COM
SAT: 1) O/C 2) 45.870 3) O/C
SUN: 1) 43.431( 2) 2) 39.166 3) 39.037
1t 29/ESP TOM PULLIAM DULUTH GA > 80.800 <
00 CHEVY CAMARO KUMHO
SAT: 1) 44.082 2) 43.578 3) 43.269
SUN: 1) 38.173 2) 37.538 3) 37.531
2t 74/ESP STEVE BRUECK GRAYSON GA > 81.970 <
94 CHEVY CAMARO Z28 KUMHO CRYSTALRIDGE.NET
SAT: 1) 67.363( 4) 2) 44.766 3) 43.962
SUN: 1) 38.986 2) 38.008 3) 38.254
Keep in mind that Karen and all the FS (and ESP) people are running on sticky tires, the STX Sub's are on street tires. Also, the #21 Sub out PAX'd me, 9th to my 10th place.
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SEDivisonal Event #2 Gainesville FL
2t 65/AS PAUL DENNIS RITCHIE NAPLES FL > 107.824 <
04 SUBARU STI HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 57.568 2) 57.109 3) 56.098
SUN: 1) O/C 2) 51.726 3) 53.451
3. 31/AS RUSS CLARK, DIXIE TALLAHASSEE FL > 108.761 <
04 SUBARU STI
SAT: 1) 57.252 2) 57.024 3) 57.099
SUN: 1) 52.842 2) 52.875 3) 51.737
1t 27/FS JERRY GRIGG WARNER ROBINS GA > 110.708 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 59.027 2) 57.839 3) 58.871
SUN: 1) 53.372 2) 52.869 3) 52.958
2. 34/FS KAREN KRAUS BROWNSVILLE MD > 111.259 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z28 HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 59.513 2) 60.274( 1) 3) 58.543
SUN: 1) 57.653( 2) 2) 53.306 3) 52.716
1t 74/ESP STEVE BRUECK GRAYSON GA > 105.863 <
94 CHEVY CAMARO Z28 KUMHO
SAT: 1) 55.544 2) 54.772 3) 54.753
SUN: 1) 51.484 2) 51.110 3) 51.237
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SEDivisonal Event #3 Michelin Tire Proving Grounds Lauren SC
2t 31/AS RUSS CLARK TALLAHASSEE FL > 86.761 <
04 SUBARU STI
SAT: 1) 46.732 2) 48.708( 1) 3) 46.103
SUN: 1) 41.108 2) 41.215 3) 40.658
1t 34/FS KAREN KRAUS BROWNSVILLE MD > 84.840 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z28 HOOSIERTRISKELION RACING
SAT: 1) 46.555 2) 45.545 3) 45.229
SUN: 1) 40.990 2) 39.651 3) 39.611
2. 51/FS JIM FOSSUM GREER SC > 85.897 <
98 CHEV Z28 HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 46.202 2) 46.437 3) 45.848
SUN: 1) 40.049 2) 42.372( 1) 3) 40.171
3. 27/FS JERRY GRIGG WARNER ROBINS GA > 85.921 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 49.217( 1) 2) 46.853 3) 45.927
SUN: 1) 40.853 2) 40.086 3) 39.994
1t 55/STX TOM HOPPE RALEIGH NC > 83.944 <
02 SUBARU WRX SUBARU BOXER4RACING.COM
SAT: 1) 47.134( 1) 2) 44.675 3) 47.253( 1)
SUN: 1) 41.272( 1) 2) 39.269 3) 47.193( 4)
2t 21/STX MIKE KING JACKSONVILLE FL > 84.907 <
04 SUBARU WRX FALKEN SUBARU SE REGION-WWW.SOJAX.COM
SAT: 1) O/C 2) 45.870 3) O/C
SUN: 1) 43.431( 2) 2) 39.166 3) 39.037
1t 29/ESP TOM PULLIAM DULUTH GA > 80.800 <
00 CHEVY CAMARO KUMHO
SAT: 1) 44.082 2) 43.578 3) 43.269
SUN: 1) 38.173 2) 37.538 3) 37.531
2t 74/ESP STEVE BRUECK GRAYSON GA > 81.970 <
94 CHEVY CAMARO Z28 KUMHO CRYSTALRIDGE.NET
SAT: 1) 67.363( 4) 2) 44.766 3) 43.962
SUN: 1) 38.986 2) 38.008 3) 38.254
Keep in mind that Karen and all the FS (and ESP) people are running on sticky tires, the STX Sub's are on street tires. Also, the #21 Sub out PAX'd me, 9th to my 10th place.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
#55
Re: How can i handle as well as a WRX?
Originally Posted by bruecksteve
These are the results from two of the three divisionals I attended. Personally, knowing many of the drivers of both types of cars, I'd have to give the nod to the Subaru's. As you start to move up in preperation, the F-Body's start to fade. Keep in mind, this is an autox and not road racing. I suspect it would be the other way around but have no data to prove it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SEDivisonal Event #2 Gainesville FL
2t 65/AS PAUL DENNIS RITCHIE NAPLES FL > 107.824 <
04 SUBARU STI HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 57.568 2) 57.109 3) 56.098
SUN: 1) O/C 2) 51.726 3) 53.451
3. 31/AS RUSS CLARK, DIXIE TALLAHASSEE FL > 108.761 <
04 SUBARU STI
SAT: 1) 57.252 2) 57.024 3) 57.099
SUN: 1) 52.842 2) 52.875 3) 51.737
1t 27/FS JERRY GRIGG WARNER ROBINS GA > 110.708 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 59.027 2) 57.839 3) 58.871
SUN: 1) 53.372 2) 52.869 3) 52.958
2. 34/FS KAREN KRAUS BROWNSVILLE MD > 111.259 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z28 HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 59.513 2) 60.274( 1) 3) 58.543
SUN: 1) 57.653( 2) 2) 53.306 3) 52.716
1t 74/ESP STEVE BRUECK GRAYSON GA > 105.863 <
94 CHEVY CAMARO Z28 KUMHO
SAT: 1) 55.544 2) 54.772 3) 54.753
SUN: 1) 51.484 2) 51.110 3) 51.237
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SEDivisonal Event #3 Michelin Tire Proving Grounds Lauren SC
2t 31/AS RUSS CLARK TALLAHASSEE FL > 86.761 <
04 SUBARU STI
SAT: 1) 46.732 2) 48.708( 1) 3) 46.103
SUN: 1) 41.108 2) 41.215 3) 40.658
1t 34/FS KAREN KRAUS BROWNSVILLE MD > 84.840 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z28 HOOSIERTRISKELION RACING
SAT: 1) 46.555 2) 45.545 3) 45.229
SUN: 1) 40.990 2) 39.651 3) 39.611
2. 51/FS JIM FOSSUM GREER SC > 85.897 <
98 CHEV Z28 HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 46.202 2) 46.437 3) 45.848
SUN: 1) 40.049 2) 42.372( 1) 3) 40.171
3. 27/FS JERRY GRIGG WARNER ROBINS GA > 85.921 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 49.217( 1) 2) 46.853 3) 45.927
SUN: 1) 40.853 2) 40.086 3) 39.994
1t 55/STX TOM HOPPE RALEIGH NC > 83.944 <
02 SUBARU WRX SUBARU BOXER4RACING.COM
SAT: 1) 47.134( 1) 2) 44.675 3) 47.253( 1)
SUN: 1) 41.272( 1) 2) 39.269 3) 47.193( 4)
2t 21/STX MIKE KING JACKSONVILLE FL > 84.907 <
04 SUBARU WRX FALKEN SUBARU SE REGION-WWW.SOJAX.COM
SAT: 1) O/C 2) 45.870 3) O/C
SUN: 1) 43.431( 2) 2) 39.166 3) 39.037
1t 29/ESP TOM PULLIAM DULUTH GA > 80.800 <
00 CHEVY CAMARO KUMHO
SAT: 1) 44.082 2) 43.578 3) 43.269
SUN: 1) 38.173 2) 37.538 3) 37.531
2t 74/ESP STEVE BRUECK GRAYSON GA > 81.970 <
94 CHEVY CAMARO Z28 KUMHO CRYSTALRIDGE.NET
SAT: 1) 67.363( 4) 2) 44.766 3) 43.962
SUN: 1) 38.986 2) 38.008 3) 38.254
Keep in mind that Karen and all the FS (and ESP) people are running on sticky tires, the STX Sub's are on street tires. Also, the #21 Sub out PAX'd me, 9th to my 10th place.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SEDivisonal Event #2 Gainesville FL
2t 65/AS PAUL DENNIS RITCHIE NAPLES FL > 107.824 <
04 SUBARU STI HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 57.568 2) 57.109 3) 56.098
SUN: 1) O/C 2) 51.726 3) 53.451
3. 31/AS RUSS CLARK, DIXIE TALLAHASSEE FL > 108.761 <
04 SUBARU STI
SAT: 1) 57.252 2) 57.024 3) 57.099
SUN: 1) 52.842 2) 52.875 3) 51.737
1t 27/FS JERRY GRIGG WARNER ROBINS GA > 110.708 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 59.027 2) 57.839 3) 58.871
SUN: 1) 53.372 2) 52.869 3) 52.958
2. 34/FS KAREN KRAUS BROWNSVILLE MD > 111.259 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z28 HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 59.513 2) 60.274( 1) 3) 58.543
SUN: 1) 57.653( 2) 2) 53.306 3) 52.716
1t 74/ESP STEVE BRUECK GRAYSON GA > 105.863 <
94 CHEVY CAMARO Z28 KUMHO
SAT: 1) 55.544 2) 54.772 3) 54.753
SUN: 1) 51.484 2) 51.110 3) 51.237
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SEDivisonal Event #3 Michelin Tire Proving Grounds Lauren SC
2t 31/AS RUSS CLARK TALLAHASSEE FL > 86.761 <
04 SUBARU STI
SAT: 1) 46.732 2) 48.708( 1) 3) 46.103
SUN: 1) 41.108 2) 41.215 3) 40.658
1t 34/FS KAREN KRAUS BROWNSVILLE MD > 84.840 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z28 HOOSIERTRISKELION RACING
SAT: 1) 46.555 2) 45.545 3) 45.229
SUN: 1) 40.990 2) 39.651 3) 39.611
2. 51/FS JIM FOSSUM GREER SC > 85.897 <
98 CHEV Z28 HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 46.202 2) 46.437 3) 45.848
SUN: 1) 40.049 2) 42.372( 1) 3) 40.171
3. 27/FS JERRY GRIGG WARNER ROBINS GA > 85.921 <
96 CHEVROLET CAMARO HOOSIER
SAT: 1) 49.217( 1) 2) 46.853 3) 45.927
SUN: 1) 40.853 2) 40.086 3) 39.994
1t 55/STX TOM HOPPE RALEIGH NC > 83.944 <
02 SUBARU WRX SUBARU BOXER4RACING.COM
SAT: 1) 47.134( 1) 2) 44.675 3) 47.253( 1)
SUN: 1) 41.272( 1) 2) 39.269 3) 47.193( 4)
2t 21/STX MIKE KING JACKSONVILLE FL > 84.907 <
04 SUBARU WRX FALKEN SUBARU SE REGION-WWW.SOJAX.COM
SAT: 1) O/C 2) 45.870 3) O/C
SUN: 1) 43.431( 2) 2) 39.166 3) 39.037
1t 29/ESP TOM PULLIAM DULUTH GA > 80.800 <
00 CHEVY CAMARO KUMHO
SAT: 1) 44.082 2) 43.578 3) 43.269
SUN: 1) 38.173 2) 37.538 3) 37.531
2t 74/ESP STEVE BRUECK GRAYSON GA > 81.970 <
94 CHEVY CAMARO Z28 KUMHO CRYSTALRIDGE.NET
SAT: 1) 67.363( 4) 2) 44.766 3) 43.962
SUN: 1) 38.986 2) 38.008 3) 38.254
Keep in mind that Karen and all the FS (and ESP) people are running on sticky tires, the STX Sub's are on street tires. Also, the #21 Sub out PAX'd me, 9th to my 10th place.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The STI, as noted on other forums, should not be in ESP.
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